Forebear or Crown?

Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:53 pm

Go.

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Chris Guerin
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:33 pm

Potato is clearly superior. Anyone that says otherwise is incorrect.
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Lexy Dick
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:08 pm

Forebear because they have bears. Anything with bears is automatically awesome.

Now bears wearing Crowns is another thing entirely.

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Alexandra walker
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:17 pm

Glad someone finally raised this topic. Redguard culture is never studied with enough nuance. Wish we could get a lot more detail. Hey Michael, if you don't jump on that one, Loremaster Lawrence will be filling in the blanks that PGE left. Not a pretty picture.

Got to go with the nationalist Crowns.
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Robert Devlin
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:56 pm

Forebears, 'cuz they ain't so stuffy about interacting with High Rock's many peoples. Wayrest is just filled with the buggers.

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amhain
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:25 pm

Crowns, as they still honor the old ways of Yokuda. I'd hate to see their religion go the way of Skyrims...

However, many valid and interesting arguments can be made for the great Potato. I'm Irish, sue me.

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Louise Andrew
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:10 pm

I am fully in favor of a potato invasion to reinforce proper rule in Hammerfell. Let's remind those haughty Redguards exactly who should be in charge.

More seriously, I have no preference. I like nationalism and traditionalism, but I also know that traditionalism for its own sake is stagnation. As long as they keep fighting, they're giving us our entertainment, and I'm happy.

Girai_Harkaanius makes a very good argument, however. Let's see more Redguard lore before unpleasant things happen to it.

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Amy Masters
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:54 pm

From my experience, potatoes tend to be rather underrated. But I can't compare them with the two political factions of Hammerfell because I know so little about them. Or Redguard philosophies general really. In Morrowind, they say that House Hlaalu takes a lot of Redguard hirelings. We don't actually meet any, but this suggests that at least part of Redguard society is comfortable with cutthroat, mercantile policies. I'm guessing these Redguards are Forebears, given House Hlaalu's culture (or lack of). Although those are Redguards who have left Hammerfell, so they might also be from Crown lands.

I think the following should be noted:

'"It's been made abundantly clear that they hope I have nothing in common with them either," I laughed. "When I'm a little higher than an initiate in the Mages Guild, they might see me as more of an equal."

"I don't understand the concept of equality in Cyrodiil yet," she frowned. "In my culture, you proved your worth, not just expected it. My parents both were great warriors, as I hope to be."'

This is worth bearing in mind when comparing how the Forebears and Crowns claimed their power. They presumably both believe in meritocratic inequality. I speculate that there is much less social mobility in Crown society, but the Na-Totambu take better care of their peasants because so far as their concerned, peasants are only capable of being peasants and they should be supported in that.

"Ayaan-si, High Prophet of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Elinhir, has called upon the True Crowns of the north to rebel against Lhotun, and financed a number of forays against the borders in http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bergama and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Dak%27fron."

"High Prophet" must be titled because it's capitalised. This suggests that it's a position in an organised sect. From the rest of the sentence, one could speculate that the clergy hold a lot of power in Crown lands. This is unlikely in Forebear lands, because we know they tend to adopt Cyrodilic/Breton traditions in which the clergy are rarely of great political significance.

I tend to imagine that Wayrest had a new romantic fashion phase at some point thanks to Redguards with that 'swashbuckler' look.

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Wayne W
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:50 am

But why no immortal bears?

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Lou
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:41 am

I think we can all agree, no matter our affiliation, the Lhotunics are all tossers.

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Cedric Pearson
 
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Post » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:12 pm

Potatoes

In TES Redguard it's mentioned that visitors from Yokuda are disliked all over Hammerfell so I'd hardly say the Crowns put their ancestors on a pedestal as high as some might think.

Touche, Lhotun was a camel milk-drinker.

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james kite
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:26 am

Pshaw. Lhotun4Lhyfe.

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Maddy Paul
 
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Post » Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:30 am

Forebears, man. They did all the hard work slaughtering the indigenous population of Hammerfell and then the Crowns just waltz in there. Also, let's not forget it's the "Yokudan traditions" that sunk half a continent.

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