Where are the Nine during the Oblivion crisis? It would seem they have forsaken their people.

No, Akatosh only allowed Martin to take the form of a dragon and kick Mehrunes Dagon's pale red ass.

Certainly have forsaken them.

Where were they during the attack on Kvatch and when mortals were alone against Dagon? It was only at the end that one of the Nine decides to do something.

When you do things right,people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

What are Scholarship, Love and Mercy when compared to Fate, Night and Destruction?

The Nine get things done through mortals.

The Nine help those who help themselves. If they stepped in to fix every problem, they'd have pets, not worshipers. People would rely on them for everything. They only step in when mortals truly can't handle something.

Citizen: "Let us pray to the Nine to send rain for our crops."
The Nine Divines: "You don't need us to send rain, just build an irrigation system."

Citizen: "Oh, please provide me with food today."
The Nine Divines: "If we gave you a fish, you would eat for a day. If you would learn to fish, you would eat for a lifetime."

Citizen: "Help me to live by your commands, honor your will and be an example to others."
The Nine Divines: "Now you're getting it."

I understand those, but how about this one?:

Citizen: "Help my lord, please. We are being slaughtered by Daedra. We are dying. Our city's guards can't defeat them. Kvatch is burning to the ground. Please, my lord I have always served you."

The Nine Divines: " :snoring: Huh, what? Nevermind. :snoring:" (several days later, Akatosh wakes up) "Oops. Maybe I can still help Martin out, unlike when he prayed to me through that horrible night in Kvatch."

They're too weakened to do anything, except occasionally appearing obscurely as avatars. The only one who really seems to actually get stuff done in avatar form is Shor. But his way of getting things done involves slaughtering tons and tons of elves. It could be argued that the hero IS an avatar of Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan.

Furthermore who says it wasn't the Nine who "guided" the CoC into prison? Uriel had seem him before, and seemed to know that he would save the world..

To use an anology, maybe the Nine divines don't start the fires, they just create the essence of flame to begin with.

I believe that is why my character was in prison, and my character loves the Nine, but Kvatch had me wondering.

Slaughtering tons and tons of elves? Sound's like Shor is the most admirable of all the divine beings in the Elder Scrolls

But in any case, just because the Nine Divines didn't appear in person to fight the Daedra doesn't mean they weren't doing anything to help, they never have been known to directly intervene in the affairs of mortals in the way that Daedra do. I could see that they may have been subtly guiding people to achieve the result that we saw. Certainly, Uriel's words at the start of the game seem to support this, suggesting that it may be more than coincidence that the player character was in the cell in time to meet the Emperor, and he does talk about having seen you in his dreams and suggests that the Nine Divines guide our fates with an invisible hand.

Of course, it could all be the insane ramblings of a senile old man, but I doubt it.

Now, the thing at the end with Martin seemed like a clear example of intervention, but that was because at that point, things had gotten pretty bad, and probably the mortals just wouldn't be able to handle things on their own.

I remember that and I see the Nine as useful and protective, but what about Kvatch?

A test, perhaps, to toughen the Kvatchians up for further attacks (TESV storyline :hehe:)

Yes indeed:



the Nine: [shouting] It's for your own good.[shouting]

Maybe they will be the only survivors of the next attack, except for the High elf that wimps off to Anvil

He is! The elves are scum.

If that's true, then what were they expecting the Nine Divines to actually do about the Oblivion Crisis? They kept saying stuff like "how could the Nine let this happen?!?" You'd think after, at least the Cameron Usurper's rampage, they'd know the Nine Divines aren't going to magically "save" them from Daedra armies. Are they just stupid plebs or what? Keep in mind it's not just survivors in Kvatch saying it, but people in random conversations.

Well, people do similar things in real life when something terrible happens. The fact that there are even less evidence of any higher force activity doesn't stop them. I believe tamrielians have pretty decent basis to hope that the divines would intervine.

When you're an immortal, godly (literally.) entity beyond mere mortals, a single city of mortals probably looks insignificant. Besides, the Champion of Cyrodiil showed at Kvatch that it hadn't gotten to the point where the mortals couldn't handle things on their own yet.

That and again I might point out that (in my opinion) the CoC WAS the help the Nine sent. Maybe Mehrunes caught them offguard and they had to think quick, who knows? But it is obvious that they do care about human lives if they are willing to come in when everything goes wrong and in their weakened state of existence and personally kick Mehrunes butt for us.

Yes, but my character is no mere mortal. As I recall, all TES protagonists are significantly more capable than other mortals.

The are extremly more capable: aThey are unpredictable. it's like in Seogorath's madhouse when you talk to the guy in the librairy: everyone can be mathmaticaly predicted to do certain things, and everyone else can be predicted to respond in certain ways, But Heros are un predictable. same with the elder scrolls, everyone can be predicted to do suff in them, but Heros aren't bound by them.

Hmm pretty good point. So we could say that the Nine by adding a new variable (the CoC) to the established equation were/are actually more powerful than any Daedra.

Futurama. I win a cookie.
Anyway, in my opinion, I think at the fall of Kvatch, some sort of divine influence drove the Champion of Cyrodil there.