I think when OP wrote "his" people he ment; nords and nords alone.
Which can't be applied for Balgruuf in the same manner.

I really don't think "Ulfric" let the Dunmer into his city, given Red Mountain exploded almost two hundred years prior, Ulfric hasn't even been born yet, his rebellion doesn't even start till almost some hundred seventy years later. So as far as the grey quarter is concerned, Ulfric can be credited with not killing them all.

When you mean some elves are quite comfortable, are you referring to Niranye specifically? She is with the thieves guild... after all.

It gets kind of iffy when "wanted to be left alone with their culture" also means kicking everyone else out though. Other people live there too...

Yes, "wanting to be left alone with their culture" also means "kicking everyone else out" if those people are threatening their culture, which is exactly what the Empire and the Thalmor are doing. The Nords were the first to sing praise to the Empire back in the day, so it's not like they just decided to be jerks or that it has anything to do with fascism. It's self-preservation.

Well, that and a driver not knowing the way to the hospital

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That's were nationalism comes in isn't it ?

Why are the nords more entitled to be left alone with their culture intact and drive everyone else; but not the native reachmen,
Skyrim doesn't belong to the nords alone, pushing out everyone else who's been around as long with an established cultural identity is nothing short of facism.

And still, you have stormcloak who clearly feels that way. Bolund in Falkreath for example who tells anyone but nords "I can't believe we let provincials like you wander Skyrim.".

Maybe the driver was a serb and just pretended not to know, aye?

the humans would fit that role in this anology.

Depends on the perspective. From the Thalmor point, the Jews are everybody who isn't Altmer. From the Nord point, it's mostly Mer as they have a hatred against Falmer and Dunmer and since the Dominion the Altmer aswell.

Nords, as a people, hate Dunmer? Thought that was in the past.... I mean they did invite them to live in their homes....

"the Jews are everybody who isn't Altmer" can't say I agree with that. The only group of people they've ever said they wanted to wipe off the map were humans.

That bugs me a little, did the "empire" let the Dunmers into Skyrim, or did the Nords?
Since people are saying Skyrim were a puppet branch of the empire... so.

If I remember correctly the high king of skyrim invited them

Except it's only Windhelm that really possess the racism. Even then, only at Dunmer and Argonians. Riften, a Stormcloak supporter, has a large Dunmer/Argonian population. Windhelm has a rather large Imperial and Altmer population.

No, Niranye is just 1 of 4 Altmer living in Windhelm. They respect the Altmer alchemist, and there is an Altmer couple who run the stables. To our knowledge, they aren't mistreated either.

"Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or Hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Nord Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor." - The Decree of Monument

You seem very determined to paint the Nords as villains.

Maybe he has a Forsnworn uncle

I really can't beleive how ludricous this thread is.

There no Jews in TES. Comparing these fictional races to real life groups is just sloppy, historical mastvrbation at most.

Forgive my ignorance, but I was under the impression that this quote related exclusively to the gifting of Solstheim. Could you elaborate?


When I hear the word 'culture', I reach for my gun.

Why? Nobody cares if we compare the Imperials to the romans or the Redgards to afro-americans? TES is a complex game and the story deals with moral issues like slavery in Morrowind or domination of inferior races (Ayleids to humans). Why can't we discuss if there is a hatred to other races that could lead in the game world to something cruel that did actually happen?

I don't think the similarities you pointed out are wrong, exactly... Just that there are far more many differences that render them obsolete.

There's a lot of people who care. We've just gotten bored of pointing out the fallacy. The Jew thing is especially bad because there was a whole lot more to Jews during Nazi-Germany than just being a highly disliked group.

I care. Lady beat me to the punch however.

People do care.

Comparing TES to world equivalents happens all the time here. It's still a stupid thing to do. The Imperials are not like the romans at all. Neither are the Redguards, apart from the most superficial similarities. Comparing TES to "world equivalents" gets you nowhere, and achieves nothing. It adds nothing to the understanding of the lore.


You can do that. There is enough material in-game and in the lore to do that easily enough without having to drag real-world examples of atrocity into the discussion. Doing so simply is indicative of a lazy mind.

He didn't post the whole thing. It does indeed indicate that it was for dunmer that fled to skyrim.

I disagree on that. It is our nature to compare things that we experience with things have experienced another time. Just think about when you have a conversation with someone and while he talks about something you two have experienced, you automatically think about yourself and how you felt/saw etc in that situation. Now if I see an imperial Armor I think about a roman soldier. If I see a Mehrunes Dagon I think of demons and so on.

Now when I read the ingame book "The Great War" I remember how I felt about the Thalmor and their behaviour against the Empire and it reminded me on things that happened in history. So what could there possibly be wrong to discuss it on a open basis. I assume you don't see things so straight when you discuss a movie or a book, do you?

Seems to me it reminds you of an miserably incomplete caricature of history. Even then the resemblence is only apparent on the broadest, most superficial level. A useful anology isn't one that muddies the issue and obscures all the details.

Riften works like Markarth though, where you exactly have a powerful family (Black-Briar / Silver-Bloods) on the other side that controls everything. Which kinda makes them lazy mirror images of each other.

I've never heard Arivanya, Alfarinn, Nurelion make any comments about how comfortable they're living; only Niranye because she'll tell you when you ask her.



Only here to suggest your painting of the stormcloak rebellion as selfless , cultural self preservation is just as absurd.
Because there exist stormcloaks who clearly believe otherwise.

So we could accuse each other of over generalizing a race all day. But the possibility still exists even when there are plenty of sympathetic nord characters about.

Certainly, not all germans were nazi's during wwII, and plenty went out of their way to help people-
But the nazi party still came into power anyway.

So it may be more proper to name my beef with stormcloaks.

They have houses, at least, and the guards respect Nurelion (even if they think he was obsessed). The Altmer and Imperials of that town seem to live at the same standard as everyone else. If they were being mistreated, it would be pointed out since the Rebellion and Great War should have made it worse for them. Except none of them seem to be mistreated.

And the Empire did nothing to help the Dunmer. Nothing. Solsthiem wasn't even part of the Empire at the time, and the Nords allowed them to have it. It was all on the Nords. Windhelm may hate the Dunmer, but this is 200 years later.