OP, you obviously want to buy Fortresscraft and just want our backing and won't listen to anything else anyone has to say. Well, here's mine.

Just. [censored]. Do it.

Sounds good but the only thing putting me off is that you play as your xbox live avatar :verymad:
Are there going to be any other creatures in it?

Because I refuse to accept that Notch somehow is the only person allowed to sell what is basically virtual legos? What did I not listen to other than that?

And yes, I will buy FortressCraft.

@ Filthy-Rainbow

Yeah I wasn't too fond of the Avatar thing either. I think remember something about making different skins for the player was too time consuming to do so Arcas just decided to use them and focus on other aspects of the game.

What do you mean by critters? Do you mean different ones than the ones in Minecraft? I'd imagine so, and I know Arcas has all ready said he won't be using creepers. The animals and critters I think are supposed to be released with Chapter 2, the first Chapter is just creative mode, so I guess we'll find out what kind of critters are in then.

Well lets be honest, all FPS are piggybacking off of the first one made (whatever that was), because it was successful. Notch by creating Minecraft in a way has created a new genre in a way. There has already been copy cats of his game, I've seen a free version, one you had to pay for, and now FortressCraft which comes to $3(240MSPs) dollars for the first chapter (creative mode in minecraft). Its bound to happen when a really successful thing comes out, people will copy (achievements anyone?) and be inspired by it and add their creative talent to it. Some will do it just for money, others will do it because they enjoy doing it. If you don't like the game don't buy and continue supporting minecraft, there is no need to call each other names over these games.

The spending of the insignificant amount of $10 towards a mouse. You asked for advice and blew off anybody who tried to give it to you because you want to save up to buy a "gaming pc". If you don't have the money to buy a mouse, you shouldn't be buying a PC game. If you can't make the money to buy a mouse and a PC game, then you can't save up to buy a gaming computer and everything that goes with it. If you have all the stuff to play an Xbox game already, then buy then buy the Xbox game. There you go. /thread.

Cute.

I have the money, and I am working towards buying this "gaming PC" (why are we using quotation marks on that?) but only because I'm careful with my money. I know that everytime something popped up that I wanted to have I could go out and get it, but then it would be that much longer until I have my "gaming PC". I COULD go out and drop whatever amount of money that would be neccesary to get myself a nice mouse to play minecraft with, but I would rather spend 3 dollars on FortressCraft and tuck the remainder of my money away so that eventually I can get a "gaming PC" to play minecraft on and, of course, other games, because if I JUST wanted to play MineCraft then I would have bought that cheap mouse long ago.

But I guess I just better quit posting. Seeing as how you said "/thread" and all.

I have absolutely no problems with games based off other games.Its good to expand upon old ideas, flesh them out!


That being said, from what I have seen of FortressCraft, it doesn't expand at all. It looks to me like some git with programming skills said, "Oh hey, Minecraft is pretty popular for PC! I bet if I made a game just like it for Xbox, I could become so rich! Hell, even the names will be similiar!"


And sure enough, as I watched the trailer for FortressCraft, I said.

"....This is just Minecraft. Is that picture photoshopped?"

Until I actually SEE something that makes FortressCraft stand out, besides the console, im going to go ahead and say that its a rip off. A damn succesful ripoff, but still just that. It will fail I hope because the" creator" lacks creativity.

*prepares for oribital bombardment*

Yeah, the trailers aren't really anything to be stunned with. Supposedly will have a lot more features in there. I always see them being talked about and I'm not sure if Arcas would think out right lieing to his customers is a good long term business plan.

I'm saying "gaming PC" cause I don't know A) when you would be buying it, which determines B) what the specs will be (and what will be required to play games) and C) how much it'll cost (or how much you'd be willing to spend on it). Right now, you could drop $1200 into a PC (minus monitor, keyboard, mouse (not a $10 one), speakers, etc.) and have a very capable machine. Not sure how long it'll last you, but you'll be able to get your Minecraft, CoD, WoW, or any other acronymic game on.

I'm not the most frugal with my money, but I bought Magicka because, after reading a couple reviews and doing some research, I figured it was worth the $10. $10 really isn't all the much (well, $25 if you include Minecraft). Sell a couple used games or something.

I don't play Minecraft but I can see why Minecraft players would get a little "meh" about Fortresscraft.

Anyways, to get waaaay back on topic and what the original post is about: No, I'm not excited about Fortresscraft and this is the first I'm hearing about it. Also, you said, "...I've never gotten a chance to play minecraft even though I wanted to despite my feelings about Notch." What are your feelings about Notch?

Yes, I know all this about building a PC.

And for Notch, I'm just going to say I don't think he has a great work ethic. I don't plan on buying Minecraft until he actually finishes the game and gets it out of beta, and he has had plenty of time to get that done.

FortressCraft = Dwarf Fortress + Minecraft. Sounds kinda interesting, but not for me until it's further along in development. I mean, if all we get right now is a Minecraft-like creative mode...

I'm going to have to agree that this feels a lot like a rip-off of sorts.
I'm not saying notch has exclusive rights to cubes. But the guy didn't even bother making new designs for the blocks. They look just like minecrafts but higher res.
And I don't really see why he went with the fancy water and nice textures, it looks really off in a cubic world. And the name's awful.

And I think I like notch's approach to the game better, making mostly things that feels like they should be in the game. I wouldn't want him to focus on railguns and jetpacks.
However the guy has some good ideas. And railguns, jetpacks and high res tetures will always appeal to a certain crowd. But I doubt he'll be as sucessful as Minecraft.

OP, if you love fortresscraft so much, [censored] off and play it instead of standing around here whining about how everyone loves the game it's piggybacking on.

Its not out yet though

It seems more like it's the Minecraft crowd coming in here and criticizing.

Apparently it releases today for 240msp. I'll check it out and judge it worthy or not. I am currently "F5ing" the indie games section of XBL

The beta is more complete than any beta I have ever played. That's just a petty excuse.

It's almost amusing how polarizing this game is for people. I know that ever since I caught wind of it in the Minecraft forums, there was no love lost from either 'side'... Perhaps not surprising, considering that was the Minecraft forums (and would thus be full of people that :wub: Minecraft), and because on the surface at least Fortresscraft IS a blatant derivative of Minecraft - most of the videos I saw of it didn't display a single block or element that wasn't already in Minecraft. So the mud-slinging was to be expected.

I'm not going to choose a side. I can certainly believe the code is original... And I can believe that they're wanting to do something different with the voxel approach. But I think if it intends to be taken seriously, it needs to show demonstrable differences upon release... And if I'm hearing correctly and the first 'episode' is a basic creative mode, then it may well fail to do so.

I agree. Not to mention, since both Suffca and I bought it in Alpha, we get the finished game at €10 as well as all future updates for free. That's a damned good deal if you ask me. Whilst you Unholy, who is bashing the game for not being out of beta and have stated you won't buy it until it is complete, will have to pay €25 for a complete game and will have to purchase future add-ons if you want them.

Wow. Suffca and I made out like bandits didn't we?

Actually, no it didn't.

As far as I know Fortresscraft began around the same time Minecraft was released. Update: Fortresscraft started 3 months after the first version of Minecraft was released.

Also, Fortresscraft isn't a ripoff, it's a different game based on the same concept as Minecraft. You don't see people flaming Diablo-clones like Torchlight do you? No, because Diablo doesn't have the rights to the concept behind it. It's the same with Minecraft, Fortresscraft and all the other "Minecraft-clones" out there.

The great thing about "development" is that you can apply it to just about anything.

My dinner is in development right now. Sure, I'm just sitting at my computer at 9AM and daydreaming about a thick, juicy burger, but it counts!

Looks like a disgusting ripoff to me, if they do it properly and add stuff Minecraft fans want but Notch hasn't implemented yet then it might actually count as possible competition.
There's also FAR LESS stuff to do in that than Minecraft which itself can be very dull at times.

:lol: That is true, but Notch released a (barely) playable version of Minecraft 21 months ago (ish) and the guy behind Fortresscraft says he started developing it 18 months ago.

ANYWAY all that is completely irrelevant, like I said above, Minecraft doesn't have the rights to the concept its built on.

Practically every game you buy these days builds on earlier games. There's nothing inherently wrong with taking MC's concepts and making them your own. FPS games were once known as 'Doom-clones', but that doesn't mean the genre has no right to exist and should've ended with Doom.

Just figured I'd give my opinion on the matter.

Here's another: wow, does FortressCraft look ugly. It seems someone just applied all the graphical effects, textures and models they could without a single thought about style or coherence

Dwarf Fortress is more robust in alpha than Minecraft is in beta, oh yeah and it's free. Paying for a game in alpha/beta doesn't sound like a very good deal to me, honestly.

I bought Minecraft in alpha too, but I won't argue that it was a "great deal", especially with how slow the development has been.