I think I found a bug. I killed a Flayed One earlier and took its knife. When I learned that it was a misc item, not a weapon, I dropped it, and I got a big "WTF!? I'm a missing mesh!" I tried it with another one and got the same thing - looks like they're maybe missing a gnd mesh?

Flayed One is from Warcry not Frans..

Not running http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1193680-this-ones-good-for-a-laugh/page__view__findpost__p__17732521 mod perchamce are you?

Finally, I don't have an .ini for Frans, is this normal? If not, how do I get it?

It is true that Francesco's overwrites a lot of bug fixes from the UOP?

No. It will intentionally overwrite the vanilla game, and therefore any changes that the UOP has made.
That's how overhaul mods work.
You have some examples of it breaking fixes?

Yeah, I saw your reply to me in the UOP thread which is what I assume this person is talking about too. Thanks for the "tutorial" on how overhauls work.

I know very well it overwrites some changes intentionally, such as certain NPC inventory items or AI packages. What I was referring to are some of the daedric quests that had extensive corrections made by the UOP that are being reverted back to the vanilla version by other unrelated changes made by Frans to those quests. If you want to look at those examples yourself, load up TES4Edit and have fun. I honestly don't mind if they are fixed or not as it's minor, just pointing it out.

The core Frans module does nothing to the UOP.

Only the optional levelled quests component plays about with the daedric quests a bit. This does overwrite the UOP's changes, but only minor things. For example, the addition of a new quest target fix or the UOP stopping the quest (which is etiquette more than anything). Overhauls, like mentioned, are bound to overwrite the UOP. If the changes are major bug fixes then of course they'll be included in Frans if they're being overwritten, however there's nothing really groundbreaking to support adding these changes right now, as they are relatively minor tweaks. So don't worry, there are no real drastic changes made by the UOP.

Thanks for the clarification SWG. I use everything except the optional items and creatures modules. Have there been any real bug reports yet? The BAIN beta seems extremely stable on my install and I haven't noticed any CTDs or glitches due to it. Very nice work.

The core Frans module does nothing to the UOP.

Only the optional levelled quests component plays about with the daedric quests a bit. This does overwrite the UOP's changes, but only minor things. For example, the addition of a new quest target fix or the UOP stopping the quest (which is etiquette more than anything). Overhauls, like mentioned, are bound to overwrite the UOP. If the changes are major bug fixes then of course they'll be included in Frans if they're being overwritten, however there's nothing really groundbreaking to support adding these changes right now, as they are relatively minor tweaks. So don't worry, there are no real drastic changes made by the UOP.

UOP-Frans Optional Files (Quests) patch. Requires the UOP patch of your choice and either Francesco's Optional Files.esp or Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp. File now has two esps, named the same but inside different folders, pick one to match your setup. Updated for UOP 3.2.0 and has Frans guard stats now too.

expanded notes: this is totally optional. It applies a couple of UOP fixes to Frans optional quests plug. I play without it, but since a few folks asked for it I made it. If you want to use it, great. If you don't then it's not game breaking (there's a minor name change on a silver glass, a monster stat tweak, and a missing s on a goblin clan name, mainly. Oh and the guards are updated to the optional leveled quests stats).

Tweaked main quests and guild quests. It's highly recommended to start a new game the first time you start to use this part of the mod.

Tweaked main quests and guild quests, these quests will be much more static.. their difficulty will not be based on player level... if a quest is meant to be hard ... it will have strong enemies even if the player is low level, in this way you won't be able to become master of a guild at level 10. Loot you will find in these quests (and in the chests of their dungeons) will be based on their level and not on player level, so if at level 3 you try to finish a level 8 quest you will fight against level 8 enemies instead of level 3, and their loot will be the same as if you fought them at level 8.

The core Frans module does nothing to the UOP.

Only the optional levelled quests component plays about with the daedric quests a bit. This does overwrite the UOP's changes, but only minor things. For example, the addition of a new quest target fix or the UOP stopping the quest (which is etiquette more than anything). Overhauls, like mentioned, are bound to overwrite the UOP. If the changes are major bug fixes then of course they'll be included in Frans if they're being overwritten, however there's nothing really groundbreaking to support adding these changes right now, as they are relatively minor tweaks. So don't worry, there are no real drastic changes made by the UOP.

But I am wondering about the older http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17603 and if they are still good to use with the latest cobl.

It says it is a frans centric version of Cobl Tweaks and that plugin (cobl tweaks) is still recommended to have merged in the load order and to use bashed patch, so why would it all of a sudden be something to not use?

What I do notice is that Cobl tweaks is tagged with {{BASH:Filter,InventOnly}} while this is not.

What is InventOnly? that does not come up as a tag in the tagging window of Wrye Bash.

What is changed you ask?
Liches drop lich dust, Trolls have troll blood, Daedra can drop hearts and/or skin, Wraiths now drop Wraith Essence, certain NPCs will have additional moonsugar drops, and Vampires carry Vitae. And if you have the optional New creatures installed you can also find Giant blood, Guar hide, special drops in some of the golems, werewolf blood and more. The Shivering Isles version adds raw Bulliwog legs to the Bulliwogs.

but if you do use Frans and you'd like to use COBL you know that there are cool drops included in COBL-tweaks that would revert those creatures back to vanilla leveling.