Ya i would like to see a little assassins creed action for my assassin/theif character, but you should only be able to do it if you skill into a certain area and have below a certain weight on you. ie wearing light armor (leather) and carrying a dagger or short sword, with out much else in your inventory

Running on walls ala Jackie Chan on steroids would be out of place.

*BUT*

some sort of Alpinism/Mountaineering mechanics would perfectly fit Skyrim's topography. I would love to see some regions acessible only tru mountain climbing with the required climbing equipment. Of course, utterly precious artifacts would be for grabs there.

Now THAT makes sense.

Or a Kaijjit, maybe some interesting stuff for Argonians as well.

Freedom really isn't an answer, there are a lot of games that have "freedom". If anything what made The Elder Scrolls good was a mixture of things, the "challenge" however is an amazing factor of that, if a game has no challenge then it's pointless, if a game has too much challenge then it's frustrating. Instead we are talking about parkour running around cities, what losing guards? or can the guards do it too? I don't want to see guards running around climbing over stuff that in reality would probably break or move if you tried to climb on to it. It doesn't in my opinion fit The Elder Scrolls style well at all.... more so, it is unrealistic as I have said, we have laws of physics and such limiations in games can give you a sort of familiarity, in my opinion the only games you'd get familiarity to are Mirror's Edge and Assassin's creed, not life.

You can't do these things in real life without a certain degree of set-up (I ain't setting my walls up so you can run over them when you steal from me) that to me would be too much of a shift, if you want to go that way, call the game, Blantant Assassin Creed's clone, not that I think the game is going that far that way, but a few features and announcements so far have left me thinking that things already have been influenced more then they should be by Assassin's Creed and to be that's a seperate game that suits it's style and it isn't TES's style. To finish, I think there is actually more to the limitations then freedom, being limited adds challenge, being free just makes things too easy, it kills a game. Freedom has to be balanced, as does the engine to ensure a unique play style.

I think something should be added. In Oblivion the 2 things that annoyed me the most were i couldn't climb a ledge, you would have to jump all the way on it. Also when above an enemy, like on said ledge, there was no jump attack. Would be pretty cool if i flew of the edge at a troll with a battle ax above me about to cut him in half. I played the hell out of Mirror's Edge. beat the game on hard with out firing a single shot (well except for the part when you had to jump out a window at the beginning on some level). I'm not asking for Assassins Creed or Mirror's Edge but... something.

Yeah, because Hollywood is first to came up with jumping of the walls. >.>
Dude, that stuff is not limited to ninjas ffs.
There are also acrobats who can do lot of crazy stuff and they are not related to anything Asian at all!


Yeah, and we got Bioshock if we want this new spells system we have in Skyrim.


1 - You can reach those places even without jumping of the walls (at least you could in previous games).
2 - How about thinking how to make NPC's counter that or even have the same bloody ability?

1. I wasnt addressing jumping of walls as much as free running in itself.

2. Making NPC AI behavior that would make them pursue you would be a nightmare for Bethesda and kill much of their precious time. Short of torching the roofs there isnt much they can do if you're hiding on the roofs and they cant pursue you. Even games like AC, which are more or less entirely based on free running and have architecture which is waaay more easily to navigate, have problems with this (how many times havent you laughed at a guard for failing at climbing due to some minor glitch or just takes such a stupid path that it takes him forever). Its just not a viable option even if it had any actual place within the game, which it doesnt.

Seriously, you can't really expect Bethesda to add this to Skyrim, its just silly and doesnt belong in the elderscrolls series (atleast for the moment).

I'd like that to be a base ability or at least a perk. That's one of the best things about AC and I'd love to have it in Elder Scrolls in the future.

In my opinion the only thing that ever seemed acrobatty about acrobatics in oblivion was the dodge rolls and flips. This was just my attempt to think of something actual acrobats can do to add to the gameplay of Skyrim.

Yes, especially for ice. I wouldn't want walking on ice to feel the same as walking everywhere else, and walking through water should slow you down.

Absolutely agrre. A skiming effect would be way cool.

I always wanted stealth and acrobatic/agile characters to do things like this. Like wall climbing in Daggerfall, but better. Would definitely add depth, gameplay, and role play abilities.

Grappling hook!

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1163534-a-grappling-hook/

^i'd rather see that in Skyrim. I think if you're a werebeast you should be able to pull off these ninja moves though.

I kinda think it should only be restricted to grabbing ledges or climbing a surface. In order for them to implement full out free running or parkour, I feel like they'd have to change a lot to the system. It could be done, and it could probably be done pretty well, but I don't think they will or should. Ledges/ladders/climbing a wall are all fine, but when you start getting into Assassin's Creed gameplay, you're only adding something in for stealth characters. And I think if they're going to do something this big, it shouldn't be restricted/only used by one style of character.

By the nine, I hope not!

Did I say it was? That was a response to all the kids going, "Ninja, ninja, ninja." Please try and read the thread before you make pointless statements.

Well, a little late now that the mods have been busy editing the thread.

This is Skyrim Not Assassins Creed:p

You want Mirror's Edge on Skyrim now? I it would be nice, and encourage those non-gaming freerunnings to play. But the areas only accessible to them acrobats, should be more of a short cut and not items/supplies. So a non acrobat, will have to take the other path and have a vivous fight.

BTW, when it's only wall running, tic-tac, speed vaults and stuff (no flips and tricks), that's called parkour. Parkour is about getting from place to place.
Freeruning INCLUDES parkour, gymastics (handsprings) and tricking (flips & twists).

...and this comment reminds me of another thing. In general, don't those style games (AC, Mirror's Edge, etc) have environments designed explicitly for that kind of stuff? (i.e, not just creating a physics engine and set of animations, and then setting people loose on whatever environment is on hand)

Which would mean redesigning various game spaces (cities, caves, ruins, some appropriate wilderness areas) for the feature. That seems like it could be a lot of work for something that wouldn't be a core gameplay feature, but just another option for some subclass of character builds.

If they are going to do this, they could use something similar to Brink's Smooth Movement Across Rough/Random Terrain (S.M.A.R.T.) where movements are not set to certain objects.

"You want free...running? M'aiq too believes the best things in life are free, this is why he is so inclinded to running"

i am a three year freerunner and I do NOT want freerunning in my tes! im a big ac fan and ac does it best.
for the elder scrolls i would much prefer a graqel hook so i can go rorsach style. on the topic of possible freerunning, maybe a single extra jump off a vertical wall, but nothing more then that... haveing a freerun mechanich in tes is tempting but... no. definetly nothing resemblinge ac.

Dude if you want to free run, just wait until Bethesda's other game comes out this May, Brink. It's going to be so [censored] cool. :dance:

Maybe but no to the extreme, maybe climbing but thats it.