Free Will

Post » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:50 pm

Well I'm a solipsist myself so only no.1 really matters to me :D
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Catherine N
 
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:15 am

*attempts to reply without involving religion, or lack thereof*

*epic fails*

I believe in free will, and I'm not sure where to go from there without saying "because I have no official religion". Simple as that.

You hardcoe religionists (if that's a word, lol) feel free to disagree, highly doubt you'll change my mind, but maybe you will someone else's. :shrug:
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:29 am

Well I'm a solipsist myself so only no.1 really matters to me :D

That word... I don't think it means what you think it means, unless you think everyone here, the entire world, and your own body might be a figment of your imagination.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:14 am

*attempts to reply without involving religion, or lack thereof*

*epic fails*

I believe in free will, and I'm not sure where to go from there without saying "because I have no official religion". Simple as that.

You hardcoe religionists (if that's a word, lol) feel free to disagree, highly doubt you'll change my mind, but maybe you will someone else's. :shrug:

Did you read the thread... at all? I'm going to guess not.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:14 am

That word... I don't think it means what you think it means, unless you think everyone here, the entire world, and your own body might be a figment of your imagination.



Trust me, I know what solipsism means. I see no reason to believe that anyone or anything but my own conscience really exists.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:54 am

You must get a huge jolt every time you get a big cut.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:35 am

Schnell, just because I see no reason to believe in anything but my consciousness doesn't mean I don't care about anything else, such as my body or other people. In fact it gives me a greater deal of compassion than if I believed in any God.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:23 am

Your logic is not very much sense-making to me. And I once compared a person teaching his son the Klingon language to Nazism, so if your logic doesn't make sense to me you're doing something wrong.


That seems to be a common theme whenever I try to explain this; in my head, it all makes perfect sense and is really logical, but once I try to make someone else understand, it comes out as pointless gibberish.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:23 pm

Has anyone seen the movie "The Matrix"? Its REAL where all in the matrix. :ahhh:
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:55 am

mmm, it does't have to be, but it is. That kind of a thing?

That makes sense, really, no matter how you look at it. And that is largely more effective for compassion than the symbolism in whatever "religion" is in choice.
A concrete religion is really nothing more than a society. And find a society that manages not to [censored] up what they have in some way.
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Post » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:45 pm

Schnell, could you quote the person you are responding to or at least put @(insert name) it gets very confusing lol.

Where you do stand on your outlook on life in a philosophical sense schnell?
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Post » Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:58 pm

@ K1llaChinchilla (<- see, I did it)
I'll keep working on it, i am not used to all the ninjas

As I learned previously I will keep it out of the forum. Expect a pm.

That said, don't ask me to explain everything to at once, please ask questions.
Its like expecting an answer to every math question at once, and my guesses there are: x (variable), 8 (on its side it means infinity), and anything successfully divided by 0. Possibly X * (8[on its side] / 0)

[edit]
Just realized I jumped the question almost entirely.
As for a basis for my philosophical outlook: I am
[we'll see if that is allowed]
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:34 pm

Haha, thanks schnell. always nice to talk philosophy. Though it's nearly 2400 here so I'm nearly dead lol.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:01 pm

So, I can honestly say that I have absolutely no knowledge on the subject. I DO however agree with the view iguess is expressing. I mean, if I'm actually understanding it correctly that is. Okay, so the particles that make us up follow specific "rules" or "constants." Meaning that just like the boiling temperature of water will always be what it is no matter where in the Universe it is, our particles have similar constants. Okay, since a person is made up of particles, this includes the brain, then a person's every thought is a result of the way particles interact with each other. Each person's individual "mind" is a result of the complex, yet predictable(if we knew everything there is to know about each and every particle in the universe)interplay of particles. If so, our "choices" are governed by thoughts that are themselves governed by our physical biology, and thus not choices at all. Is that about right, iguess?
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Post » Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:40 pm

Too many pages, not enough time.

To answer the question in the title/description. Yes we do have free will, but there will always be people who try and stop or counter your decision.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:36 am

So, I can honestly say that I have absolutely no knowledge on the subject. I DO however agree with the view iguess is expressing. I mean, if I'm actually understanding it correctly that is. Okay, so the particles that make us up follow specific "rules" or "constants." Meaning that just like the boiling temperature of water will always be what it is no matter where in the Universe it is, our particles have similar constants. Okay, since a person is made up of particles, this includes the brain, then a person's every thought is a result of the way particles interact with each other. Each person's individual "mind" is a result of the complex, yet predictable(if we knew everything there is to know about each and every particle in the universe)interplay of particles. If so, our "choices" are governed by thoughts that are themselves governed by our physical biology, and thus not choices at all. Is that about right, iguess?

Pretty much. However, weather or not they are "choices" depends on how you look at it. But for the common conception of how people make "choices", no, they are not choices.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:52 am

So, I can honestly say that I have absolutely no knowledge on the subject. I DO however agree with the view iguess is expressing. I mean, if I'm actually understanding it correctly that is. Okay, so the particles that make us up follow specific "rules" or "constants." Meaning that just like the boiling temperature of water will always be what it is no matter where in the Universe it is, our particles have similar constants. Okay, since a person is made up of particles, this includes the brain, then a person's every thought is a result of the way particles interact with each other. Each person's individual "mind" is a result of the complex, yet predictable(if we knew everything there is to know about each and every particle in the universe)interplay of particles. If so, our "choices" are governed by thoughts that are themselves governed by our physical biology, and thus not choices at all. Is that about right, iguess?


That is one, quite simple, way to look at it.

Problem is, it all boils down to the subatomic level, and scientists haven't been able to figure out what actually goes on there. At the level in which we live and work, everything is the direct consequence of everything that came before it, but, at a quantum level, it may not be so.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:52 am

That is one, quite simple, way to look at it.

Problem is, it all boils down to the subatomic level, and scientists haven't been able to figure out what actually goes on there. At the level in which we live and work, everything is the direct consequence of everything that came before it, but, at a quantum level, it may not be so.

It actually ISN'T so at our best understanding of the quantum level. However, that affecting psychological determinism is a giant leap. Even if it does, you're still not making choices. It's statistics deciding what you do in all versions of a quantum brain model.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:20 am

It actually ISN'T so at our best understanding of the quantum level. However, that affecting psychological determinism is a giant leap. Even if it does, you're still not making choices. It's statistics deciding what you do in all versions of a quantum brain model.


Indeed, I agree that it is far fetched to assume that it has an effect on what choices we make.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:39 am

Pretty much. However, weather or not they are "choices" depends on how you look at it. But for the common conception of how people make "choices", no, they are not choices.

Ah, I see. Well, make sense to me considering how everything in the Universe works. :lol:
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:34 am

Society comes from behaviorism applied en masse
Behaviorism is neural biology
Neural biology, an offshoot of biology, comes from chemistry
Chemistry comes from physics

What does physics come from?
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:47 pm

What does physics come from?

Mathematics.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:43 am

Not what I was getting at.
The way things are, are weather or not we have a language to describe them.
I see blue, but calling something originally red does not make it blue, it just means I don't know the difference in the language.
Like asking an entirely blind man to see.
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:05 am

Not what I was getting at.
The way things are, are weather or not we have a language to describe them.
I see blue, but calling something originally red does not make it blue, it just means I don't know the difference in the language.
Like asking an entirely blind man to see.

I don't understand neither what you're trying to say there nor how does the question "What does physics come from?" tie to what you're saying there. :(
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Post » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:17 am

Of course we don't have free will, the rich people take control of the places we live and make us conform to their rules, if we did have free will then there would be only chaos and then I would have to go ninja so I don't get eaten by cannibals :ninja:
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