» Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:32 am Greetings.
I've a newly surfaced issue that I hope folk can help with.
PROBLEM: Despite safeguards, allies now attack each other whereas before there was a buffer before this occurred.
Due to prolonged illness I have been away from the game since mid 2014. In addition, during the latter part of that year Windows 7 became unrepairably corrupt, requiring a fresh OS install. Oblivion, however, is housed on its own dedicated SSD and not affected. Additionally, while I lost much off my OS partition, all Oblivion related files were recoverable, including saves and the ini. I am thus able to carry on from where I was those many months ago. There are no obvious differences that I can see on screen. The game runs no more or less stably than it did pre crash. No Oblivion log file that I've thought to check has shown unwanted anomalies. My load order has not changed. I did, however, update to the most recent releases of the various unofficial patches, Wrye Bash, and BOSS.
- Since starting back a few days ago I notice several instances of allied NPCs (including Chorrol city guards) attacking each other after suffering no more than a single friendly hit while battling a foe. This should be a VERY rare occurrence for me, as I use the Bashed Patch tweak to allow friendly hits, set at "15". This setting has worked well for me for quite some time....until now.
- During this morning's session, my avatar accidentally hit a fellow legionnaire while fighting a highwayman along Red Ring Road. This triggered the legionnaire's arrest dialog...which so far as I recall has never happened to my avatar, certainly not since enabling the Wrye Bash tweak.
- The earliest noticed instance of this odd behavior occurred when one of my two bestial companions attacked a mod added vendor in Weye Village, without provocation. This has never happened before to my knowledge. I reloaded that save four times hoping it was a fluke, but each time we neared that NPC my "pets" (one of them at least) attacked.
- There were a few more such instances, but those occurred before I took the issue seriously enough to pay close attention.
- I have occasionally experienced friendly fire episodes in the past (pre OS reinstall), but they were mostly understandable, and greatly reduced with the Bashed Patch tweak.
I seek guidance on what to look for to track down and solve this issue.
My load order (unchanged from before the OS crash, except that the two Unofficial Patch "additional changes" esps are not now needed, follows:
01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
03 TamRes.esm
04 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
05 CURP_Controller.esm
06 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.2]
07 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
08 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
09 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.6]
0A TamRes.esp
0B LoadingScreens.esp
++ oc_darker_nights.esp
++ realWaters.esp
0C Idle Dialogue.esp
0D Distant Chapel Bells.esp
0E OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
0F Rainbows.esp
10 WindowLightingSystem.esp
11 1em_GiveAGift.esp [Version 1.2]
12 CityLights - ImperialCity.esp
13 PTFallingStars.esp
14 Simple Portable Tent.esp [Version 1.0]
15 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.2]
16 PTRoamingNPCs.esp
17 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
18 Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp [Version 1.8]
19 Lock Bash Omega.esp [Version 1.5]
1A Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp [Version 1.0.0]
1B Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1]
1C Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9]
1D Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
1E BlackLuster.esp
1F Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
20 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
21 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
22 Harvest[Containers].esp
23 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
24 (DC) Kvatch Watch Towers.esp
25 Trade and Commerce.esp
26 300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp
27 delivery_job.esp [Version 1.2x]
28 EM_Packdonkeys.esp [Version 2.1]
29 exhSIPalacelodge.esp
2A ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
2B ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
2C Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.16]
2D KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
2E KvatchRising.esp
2F EiAmod.esp [Version 1.1]
++ EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
30 LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
31 LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
32 Mages Guild Quests.esp
33 Order of the Virtuous Blood Expanded v0.3.esp
34 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
35 Skingrad Market 1.0.esp [Version 1.00]
36 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
37 TheElderCouncil.esp
38 TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
39 TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
3A (DC) The Pride of Wolfs Gate.esp
3B VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.6]
3C Apachii_Wigs_MaleFemale.esp
3D VOILA.esp
3E VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
3F za_bankmod.esp
40 BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.2]
41 Knights.esp
42 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.6]
43 The Lost Spires.esp
44 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.COBL]
45 Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
46 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
47 Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp
48 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.2]
49 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.10]
4A Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
4B Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.13]
4C JDNT_Brina Cross.esp
4D Vergayun.esp [Version 2.0.2]
4E Villages1.1.esp [Version 1.1c]
4F xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3]
50 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5]
51 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
52 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
53 SkingradMarket-LostCoast patch.esp
54 KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp [Version 1.1]
55 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.5]
56 EtInArkay-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
57 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
58 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8]
59 RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.4]
5A xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
5B xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.1.3]
5C KragenirsDeathQuest-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0]
5D NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0.1]
5E ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
5F ImpeREALForts+BrinaCross Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
60 ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
61 West Roads.esp
62 Castle_Seaview.esp
63 CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
64 bartholm.esp
65 bartholm - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
66 Fort Akatosh Redux.esp
67 FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp
68 Legion Ranger Addon.esp
69 Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp
6A NRB4+RR Patch.esp [Version 2.1]
6B FightersGuildContracts.esp
6C BlackScreenSneakFix.esp
6D CUO_MerchantsGuild_SAFE.esp
6E CUO_MerchantUpdate_SAFE.esp
6F CUO_NewFactionDialog_SAFE.esp
70 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.2.1]
71 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
72 ExpandedGreetings.esp
73 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 3.0]
74 talkwithyourhands2.esp
75 Quest Award Leveller.esp
++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
76 RealisticForceMedium.esp
77 RealisticMagicForceLow.esp
78 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
79 Duplicate_Item_Spell.esp
7A RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]
7B Panzer_Kleidung_03.esp
7C WR Villages Addon.esp
7D Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 5.5.3]
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
7E 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
** NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
7F Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Note that I do run quite a few mods that add and/or modify legionnaires and travels, which can increase the chanced of friendly fire. But again, the Bashed Patch tweak has always reduced this to a tolerable level.
My first guess is that though the Bashed Patch is set to allow a certain number of friendly hit before disaster ensues, something is overriding it. But what, why now, and how could this be checked? I can't rule out that the OS rebuild comes in to play, though so far as I can tell my Oblivion install is exactly as it was pre-rebuild, minus the few mod updates mentioned above.
In any case, I appreciate any guidance on this matter. Thanks in advance!
