And has GTA ever won a "Game of the Year" Award?

why does that matter?

oh wait, it doesnt.

Yes, quite a few actually but here is one example: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/14/grand-theft-auto-iv-crowned-spike-vgas-game-of-the-year/

What version of Oblivion were you playing? :blink:

Wasn't betting in arena fights for the winner gambling?

Ah, you're right. I knew there must be something I was missing. No doubt because it was actually quicker to kill something yourself than get the money from winnings.

Very true. I only tried it ones when I discovered it and never did it again.

Why don't Bethesda come out with an X rated video game? Or start an affiliate company and do it that way or something.
Then maybe you could make the content enterchangeable between the two. Make up more sites like this with more mods or links to mods or updates you could purchase from the X-shop... There are all kinds of possabilities.
I've been looking for a game like this for ever. SAD thing is I just found it today. I found Fallout 3 first, about two months ago. Found the nexus and the GECK about two weeks later. Figured out the point of it all and even learned a little of most of it. Installed about 150 mods before I got board. Now I find this Jewel! Damnit!!! Wish I had found this first....
I like the option to be able to add sixual content to the game.
I don't use it all of the time in the fallout game, but I do like to see a naked female walk by, or follow me through town or something...
Mostly I just get a kick out of the faces of friends when they see the game for the first time and I come across a nvde girl.

It realy makes sense not to just put that type of content in the regular game. too many people would not buy it for that very reason. So their kids can't get access to it. Kids already learn too much from regular tv.

Thats just my opinion. But I'm not the only one with it. I mean, com'On... How you gonna change that? Its not easy to lower peoples morals.

'Corse, I'm sittin here gettin high goin to learn how to use the mods and find out if there is a geck for oblivion so I can go play with some Gooood lookin females for a change :angel: ....

Looking at the poll numbers the fans don't mind that content and would still buy the game. I think we have all reached an agreement on six being kept at a fade to black level. So in short the fans would like to see Gambling, six and other human vices like junkies looking like junkies in future fallouts. New Vegas should have all of that and so should fallout 4 and all future Fallouts. It is what the fans want and in the end you have to give the fans what they want right? Or has Bethesda stopped caring? at least about the Rabid fallout universe fans. I have bought everything fallout 3 so it's not that I hate the game and Bethesda it is just that they let me down with this and I am not ready to give up on the fallout universe. I bought a new computer just so I could play fallout 3! If they botch New Vegas then I just may have to say good bye to the fallout Universe.

Okay, heres my 2 caps. (nothing really new or groundbreaking)

Gambling was how I made money at the start of Fallouts 1 and 2, I was a little disappointed in not seeing it in 3. I think that many other games have shown that six can be included in a tasteful manner, and mods have shown that it can be done to whatever extreme some one is willing to invest time in creating.

In movies there are often the "Theatrical Version" and the "Unrated: Directors Cut". I have often wondered how a format like a video game can use this concept. For example Fallout 4 could have a version rated "T for Teen" sold in stores and an Unrated version only available direct from the Bethesda website. If the differences were shorter cut scenes, less graphic violence and alternate dialouges, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to make 2 different versions.

As far as the rating system here in the USA goes. With a population as large as we have even a small percentage of complete idiots is enough to make trouble. Some notable examples of the mentality of some people.

- A woman bought GTA: San Andreas for her pre-teen grandson and then filed a lawsuit against the store because she saw him playing it and decided that it was inappropiate.
- A young man was beaten to death with a hammer, the lawyers tried to sue a videogame company for making a game that allows the player to beat people to death with hammers (because there is no way anyone could have thought about using a hammer as a weapon with out seeing it in a game) and this game was played often by the victim. To reiterate it was not the suspect who played the game but the victim.
- A watchdog group wanted the "Game of the Year" title stripped from GTA: San Andreas because by giving it an award the video game community is entice young kids to play the game. (That why I let my 4 year old watch "No Country for Old Men", it won an award so it must be family friendly)
- After a disturbed individual went on a rampage and shot and killed several people a certain lawyer announced that he would file a lawsuit against a software developer for the violence found in a game that the software company didn't make and that the shooter never played.
- Certain store will refuse to stock any game that doesn't carry a rating (self imposed by the sofware developer) M or lower. But will stock unrated versions the "teenage six romp" genre of films

This is how it is and how it has always been. At first Movies were to graphic, then Comic Books were the downfall of society, now Video Games are the new target. I'm hoping that the new advancements in 3D technology attract the ire of those who want to find something wrong in society and video games can be allowed to "grow up".

Very nicely put.

Why would Bethesda be so reluctant to sell six? They already sell violence with great success.
And when I'm saying violence I'm not simply referring to the amount of blood - the arena in Oblivion was one of the most disturbingly raw violent concepts I've seen in a game... think about it... all the amount of colorful flowers and bright blue skies won't change that.
But when you pay Nova to 'sleep next to you' you know very well that she doesn't exactly just 'sleep' don't you? And you also know that Dukov didn't keep these girls around to have deep philosophical conversations with them.

It's not that these things aren't there really, it's just that they either cover them with happy flowers or they simply imply them as discreetly as they can without them losing their obviousness - so that the people who don't get shocked by the idea of butchering people for the entertainment of spectators in an arena, won't get shocked by the realization that human females have nipbles.

Bioware seems to excuse the six in their games by having the player to painstakingly build romantic relationships, while he fights hordes of deadly monsters, like he's in high school or something. Bethesda just implies that six sometimes happens... So I guess that they expect that their audience is not 'ready' to accept a bit of good old ******. Which doesn't really matter as long as it's not required by the story/setting - otherwise it runs the risk of becoming pormographic (which might be quite ironic considering that the approach of violence in FO3 is very much equivalent to pormography) Maybe they are just wrong or maybe they are just cowering or maybe they just don't know how to do it.

And I actually tend to think it's the last one. I agree with that writer what's-her-name who proclaimed that game developers are a bunch of ******* adolescents... They just don't seem to be able to handle any kind of serious concept in a way more serious that a child giggling because someone said the word 'briast' or a teenager writing daft poetry about girls and the pain of life.

In the meantime Gerald will keep getting all the real action... (and yes I consider the Witcher's approach of six was one of the best I've seen in an RPG no matter what people will say about the tastelessness of the infamous six-cards... sure it was also quite 'immature', but at least they didn't try to hide it - maybe it's because I'm from Europe, don't know... and yes I'm still obsessive)

There's a fair amount of gratuitous & casual six in Dragon Age. So even BioWare beats Bethesda.

my answer? DO IT

well said

Game makers should take risks, if they don't all games will be just the samething different story. Wal-mart will sell the latest Unrated "teen-six" Movie Like the American Pie movies. I think Wal-mart will sell anything as long as it is not out right pormographic. If the game is rated right and has a parental advisory so parents can desided if they should to let their young teens play it or not. As other post have stated some teens are more mature then others. So as long as parents know what is in the game Wal-mart and others will sell it. If alot of people want the game Wal-mart and other will not want to miss out on a Cash Cow video game. Game Publishers need to step up their advertising, the more "controversial" a game the more advertising they should have so the fans can desided what the stores should sell. Money Speaks louder then any protester "Prude Parental" group.
What ever happened to six sells? controversy sells as well!

Selling the game has to come first. This is a business after all. Artistic expression needs to come after the financials. Sorry, but that's how it works.

As far as upholding morality, well, you have a point. I was reading a survivalist book, and one of the few things that made sense in it was the author's argument that, no matter what the economic condition, one can guarantee income by providing six and drugs and rock n roll. Sell your body, build a still, and learn to entertain.

There is a place in a PA game for vice. I'd argue, owever, that design resources can be better used elsewhere.

And I doubt alluding to six and having gambling is going to hinder sells.

Case in point look at a game like GTA which still manages to sell millions despite having issues with some controversy

I don't even want to bring up how excessively graphic FO3 is and noone complains about that.




I believe the opposite since it would make sense for it to have it in that type of world.

Dude there are kids out there playing advlts games man do you really want them to learn about six so they can do it?
And plus with six there won't be much consumers.... Because I'm sure that these kids are the ones keeping The Fallout Series in the Top

Lol nice.

:rofl:

No it's not Kids keeping Fallout on top it's people like me that are Diehard Fans of Fallout, I was playing fallout long before those kids you are talking about were born. Kids don't have money! Parents can have their kids pay what ever games they want fine. Just don't complain later. People that complain to makes and sellers of games sould shut the hell up already. If your kids don't play it because you don't want them to then fine. Don't complain that other peoples kids are.

The kids really are helping this game out man!
Like in COD MW2 about more than 50% of COD is played by kids!

KIDS Dont' have money! advlts do. If this game had all the stuff I have been talking about then more advlts and people in their Late teens would be interested and buy it. More people that loved fallout but have given up on it would come back. I don't see why people are happy playing as a Ken Doll or Barbie Doll? and just running around killing. It goes old fast! Look at the POll! People would buy it!

Your Poll is hardly scientific and could not be used to work out whether a game would sell. This board is skewed towards people who'd probably buy the game anyway, as with the very rare exception, we're all fans here.

video games aren't for six -.-'

yes i will keep saying it