From: [RELz] Reneer's Guard Overhaul : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:36 pm

Could people please remember this part of the instructions that come with RGO?

If you experience any issues with RGO, here is a wonderful method for helping me diagnose the problem:
1. Run OBSE and Pluggy alongside RGO.
2. If you encounter a problem, go to the RGO forum thread.
3. Post a copy of the RGODebugFile.txt that is located in your My Games\Oblivion\Pluggy\User Files\RGODebug folder.

Frankly, I don't blame Reneer for getting tired of repeating this page after page after page. The post "your mod is broken" helps no one and only serves to make people annoyed: the mod maker because you're not being the slightest bit helpful, and the mod user because the mod maker is ignoring your problem.

Vac

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:31 am

Haha, I found the pluggy readme and installed it. Sorry for not being able to have the RGODebug txt before.

I restarted the game with RGO enabled. This time the guards followed me as normal; however, the NPC Baurus still appeared outside of the jail after I paid my fine and the bounty went back up to 40 gold right outside the Imperial City Market gates (where I committed the crime)

Here is my modlist and RGO.txt:

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm
02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
03 EnhancedWeather.esm
04 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
05 Knights.esp
06 Cobl Glue.esp
07 Cobl Si.esp
08 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
09 Cobl Tweaks.esp
0A OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
0B Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
0C FF_Real_Thirst.esp
0D FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
0E Real Hunger, Cobl.esp
0F RealSleepExtended.esp
10 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
11 Living Economy.esp
12 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
13 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
14 Living Economy - Items.esp
15 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
16 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
17 Harvest [Flora].esp
18 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
19 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
1A EnhancedWeather.esp
1B EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 80.esp
1C Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp
1D Streamline 2.1.esp

And here is the RGODebug.txt

2010-12-16 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 128.244
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is now following the player. 128.244
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is now a guard... 128.244
RenCrimeNodeQuestScript: Crimegoldframe = 25, Crimegoldframeprev = 0 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C350) is now a guard... 129.945
RenCrimeTrackerQuestScript: addcrimegold = 40, crimetype = 3, playerlocation = Dummy cell 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is no longer following the player. 131.177
RenCrimeNodeQuestScript: Crimegoldframe is less than Crimegoldframeprev. 131.302
RenCrimeRingObjectScript: No Victim, removing crimegold, victimtimer = 10.011 139.958
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Baurus) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 154.39
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 10101, msgbox2 = -1 174.207

Again, any help would be appreciated, because it is a really good mod and I would like to be able to continue using it. And sorry for my first post not having the required information to help you solve the problem, I'm just an idiot.

Thank You!

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:55 am

I'm having some problems with RGO at the moment. I know i'm supposed to follow the above method of handling any bugs. On the other hand, i've heard a few things about Pluggy having some issues in itself, and i'm worried about it possibly ruining my saved game. As far as my RGO issue, i'll mention it in case someone has already had the same problem and discovered a solution already. There's been a few instances where i've had a bounty of 0, but when I try to wait, it says the guards are coming and can't wait. Also in those same instances, i'd sleep to try to remove that message, and when i've woken up, there would be an Imperial Warder laying on the ground. They're alive, but it's as if they're dead and just laying there. I also notice that sneaking around doesn't seem to attract the guards at this point. If someone has already found a solution or knows what i'm talking about, i'd be glad to hear about it. If not, as far as Pluggy goes, is it safe to install and would I be able to remove it to prevent any problems with it being used in my game? Sorry to go against the rules. I just wanted to check first before I did anything.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:45 pm

I'm having some problems with RGO at the moment. I know i'm supposed to follow the above method of handling any bugs. On the other hand, i've heard a few things about Pluggy having some issues in itself, and i'm worried about it possibly ruining my saved game.

None of the issues Pluggy can cause are going to "ruin" a save game in any way. You can install Pluggy, replicate the problem, post the log(s) and then uninstall it again. If you're unnecessarily paranoid and don't believe that Pluggy won't ruin your saves, keep a backup of your older saves (which isn't a bad idea when adding new mods anyway).

Vac

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:12 pm

Ok, thanks for the reply. I'll be back to post the RGO.txt.

Edit: Sorry about taking up so much space. I have no idea how to use the 'Spolier' option.

Here's my list of mods (I also don't know how to get a list of the order, just the mods):

Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Cobl Races TNR.esp
Cobl Races TNR SI.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
MIS Low Wind.esp
MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
Distant Chapel Bells.esp
Rainbows.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
AliveWaters.esp
AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
NBB.esp
RAEVWD Cities.esp
RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp
RAEVWD Imperial City.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
Crowded Cities 15.esp
Crowded Roads Revisited.esp
FF_Real_Thirst.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp
NPCs Alive - Bandits.esp
NPCs Alive - Beggers.esp
NPCs Alive - Faregyll Inn.esp
NPCs Alive - Goblins.esp
NPCs Alive - Imperial Legion Foresters.esp
NPCs Alive - Imps.esp
NPCs Alive - Orges.esp
thievery.esp
Travelers Inns.esp
za_bankmod.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
JADDockTunnel.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp
Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp
RealisticFatigue.esp
RealisticHealth.esp
RealSleepExtended.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
JM's Bar Fights mortal.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
[GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp
Real Hunger, Cobl.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
FineWeapons for OOO.esp
RustyItems for OOO.esp

This is my RGO.txt. This is only a clip of it, but the entire .txt file just kept repeating these same things:

2010-12-19 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (03011E84) has got criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (03011E84) cannot see criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0003C2C7) has got criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0003C2C7) cannot see criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (030113F4) has got criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (030113F4) cannot see criminal NPC = Nigidius the Needy. 122.589

I don't know if I did this right. Hopefully this helps.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:53 pm

Haha, I found the pluggy readme and installed it. Sorry for not being able to have the RGODebug txt before.

I restarted the game with RGO enabled. This time the guards followed me as normal; however, the NPC Baurus still appeared outside of the jail after I paid my fine and the bounty went back up to 40 gold right outside the Imperial City Market gates (where I committed the crime)

Here is my modlist and RGO.txt:

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm
02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
03 EnhancedWeather.esm
04 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
05 Knights.esp
06 Cobl Glue.esp
07 Cobl Si.esp
08 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
09 Cobl Tweaks.esp
0A OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
0B Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
0C FF_Real_Thirst.esp
0D FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
0E Real Hunger, Cobl.esp
0F RealSleepExtended.esp
10 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
11 Living Economy.esp
12 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
13 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
14 Living Economy - Items.esp
15 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
16 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp
17 Harvest [Flora].esp
18 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
19 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
1A EnhancedWeather.esp
1B EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 80.esp
1C Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp
1D Streamline 2.1.esp

And here is the RGODebug.txt

2010-12-16 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 128.244
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is now following the player. 128.244
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is now a guard... 128.244
RenCrimeNodeQuestScript: Crimegoldframe = 25, Crimegoldframeprev = 0 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.945
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C350) is now a guard... 129.945
RenCrimeTrackerQuestScript: addcrimegold = 40, crimetype = 3, playerlocation = Dummy cell 129.945
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 129.976
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (0001C34F) is no longer following the player. 131.177
RenCrimeNodeQuestScript: Crimegoldframe is less than Crimegoldframeprev. 131.302
RenCrimeRingObjectScript: No Victim, removing crimegold, victimtimer = 10.011 139.958
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Baurus) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 154.39
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Simplicia the Slow) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Rohssan) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeCivilianRingScript: NPC (Ogier Georick) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him. 169.938
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 10101, msgbox2 = -1 174.207

Again, any help would be appreciated, because it is a really good mod and I would like to be able to continue using it. And sorry for my first post not having the required information to help you solve the problem, I'm just an idiot.

Thank You!

While the debug text is helpful, the problem is figuring out where that gold came from - it could easily be a third-party mod adding that 40 gold. That's mainly the issue here - it is difficult to figure out where the crime-gold "originated" - if I didn't have to worry about third-party mods adding crime-gold I could simply disregard anything that RGO sees that doesn't come with an increase in PCMiscStat.

I'll look into it for 2.54 - maybe add in some more debug messages.

I'm having some problems with RGO at the moment. I know i'm supposed to follow the above method of handling any bugs. On the other hand, i've heard a few things about Pluggy having some issues in itself, and i'm worried about it possibly ruining my saved game. As far as my RGO issue, i'll mention it in case someone has already had the same problem and discovered a solution already. There's been a few instances where i've had a bounty of 0, but when I try to wait, it says the guards are coming and can't wait. Also in those same instances, i'd sleep to try to remove that message, and when i've woken up, there would be an Imperial Warder laying on the ground. They're alive, but it's as if they're dead and just laying there. I also notice that sneaking around doesn't seem to attract the guards at this point. If someone has already found a solution or knows what i'm talking about, i'd be glad to hear about it. If not, as far as Pluggy goes, is it safe to install and would I be able to remove it to prevent any problems with it being used in my game? Sorry to go against the rules. I just wanted to check first before I did anything.

Pluggy won't cause you any trouble - I've been using it for a long time and never had an issue with my save-games. If you really want, just copy your save-games to another directory.

As for your problem... it doesn't seem like it is RGO's fault. I've never had an Imperial Guard just "lie down" in any of my playtesting.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:40 pm

Yeah, I figured it was possibly another mod causing something to happen. It's not a game-breaking problem anyway. Still a great mod and i'd definitely continue using it from here on in. Thanks for making it.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:19 am

Im Having a little problem with the mod:
at a random point the game crashes.
reloading a savegame doesnt help, it crashes after the same time again.
this happened to me at different locations, all over cyrodiil...

debug says:

Spoiler

2010-12-30 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (360008A0) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) has got criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (3600D024) cannot see criminal NPC = Sydney Barrows. 13.291

(this is repeated about million times)

and my modlist:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Cobl Main.esm
CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Fort Akatosh.esm
(DC) County Sutch Reborn Master.esm
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Better Cities .esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 ND.esp.ghost
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Crowded Roads Advanced.esp
C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp
DropLitTorchOBSE.esp
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp.ghost
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
Command Mount.esp
Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
HorseTurnSpeed-Faster.esp
HorseTurnSpeed-Fast.esp.ghost
HorseTurnSpeed-Fastest.esp.ghost
RealBanditsAndHighwaymen.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp.ghost
KvatchAftermath.esp
(DC) Kvatch Watch Towers.esp
AABTSv1.esp
ArcaneBankofCyrodiil.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
BXX_Mines.esp
(DC) County Sutch - New Haven.esp
JolardHome.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
SMChorrol.esp
TheElderCouncil.esp
(DC) The Pride of Wolfs Gate.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
FrbitTravel.esp
24HrArenaAliveV2.esp.ghost
24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
24HrArenaAliveLow.esp.ghost
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCfrostcrag.esp
FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
Knights.esp
The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp
FortAkatosh.esp
road+bridges.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp.ghost
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp
Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp.ghost
Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp
Class Advantages.esp
NoQuestMarkers.esp
AAQv1.esp
AACV1.esp
Vtoy.esp
Guard six.esp
Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Marksman Velocity SI.esp
Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp
SD Skill Diary.esp
Nanite's Legendary Alchemy.esp
Useful Houses.esp
Ren_Soya_KD's.esp
_Ren_BeautyPack_full + Soya's hair.esp
KT_CustomRaceFix.esp.ghost
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
MM_StolenHorseOwnership.esp
ADDON_Sklavin_Alba.esp
FastTravelRing.esp
Moob_CappedGuards v1.0.esp
(DC) Villages1.1.esp
Guard_Disguise.esp
OBSE Autospeicherungssystem DV.esp
(DC) Fort Weye.esp
(DC) TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
(DC) TheNecromancer.esp
(DC) County Sutch - Owls Cove.esp
(DC) Ruined Eldin Bridge.esp
(DC) County Sutch - Brina Cross.esp
SpeedyHorses.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
Enhanced Hotkeys.esp
West Roads.esp
WR Villages Addon.esp
MergedMaps.esp

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:14 pm

I don't disagree with you. Not at all. And I know you're not lying. But RGO is involved in the CTD. You just can't ignore the fact that the game crashes with RGO installed, and doesn't crash without RGO installed. RGO certainly isn't the cause of the crash, but it contributes to it.

This is totally false. A savegame can contain bugs that don't go away (see my "Save File Forensics" recent thread for a good example) even if you make a clean save with only Oblivion.esm enabled, after following all uninstall procedures for the mods that have one. With a corrupt save, even if the RGO scripts are completely good they can reference a buggy guard and then the game crashes.
The only way to be 100% sure that a mod is buggy is to test it alone with Oblivion.esm + Shivering Isles + Unofficial Patches and start a new game. Or use a save that never had any mods installed.
People, you need to give Reneer a break.

Another issue that causes a lot of crashes (most notably the crash on exit or on load) is mods that delete vanilla references, and haven't had the TES4Edit 'Undelete and Disable' procedure applied. In my personal experience, that includes most quest and house mods. For instance, Origins of the Mages Guild and The Elder Council were mentioned above: they're known to contain a lot of dirty and wild edits and plenty of deleted references (dunno what's the situation now that Dragon Captions took over some of those mods). So they can produce many crashes when interacting with other mods.
This is again to show that if you add RGO to your game and crashes happen, it's not automatically RGO's fault.

Lastly, mods like RGO that works exclusively through script are load order independent. So, position relative to the Bashed Patch doesn't matter, what matters is the functionality of these other mods and how it interacts with RGO. Of course if you manage to build a messed up Bashed Patch or import part of conflicting mods in it, it can conflict with RGO, but that will happen no matter which one loads before the other.

Hopefully this helps to clarify some issues and answer some bug reports.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:49 am

Hi I have a possible bug to report...

I'm in Bruma doing the "A Brotherhood Betrayed" quest where you investigate the supposed vampire hunter.
When I inform the investigator guard in the dead man's house of what I've found, he eventually says he's going to rouse the guard
and that I should meet him at the pub in an hour. After that if I try to rest anywhere the game CTD. Even if I disable the mod in-game,
using the configuration item, the game crashes. However, if I deactivate the mod in Oblivion Mod Manager, I can rest and continue the quest.

The debug file from pluggy has the following:

2011-1-12 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 956.894RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 956.894

The only time I press the spacebar is to talk to him. Maybe the issue has something to do with him ending the conversation and sprinting off.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:49 pm

From the v2.53 ReadMe:
"3. Installing the Plugin

Just unzip the RenGuardOverhaul.esp and the RenGuardOverhaul.bsa file to your Oblivion\Data folder, overwriting anything already there. Also, if you wish to use the new INI loading feature, you must extract the INI Files folder into your Oblivion\YuData folder."

Is "YuData" intentional? I don't want to assume you just mean "Data" and then screw something up...

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:56 am

From the v2.53 ReadMe:
"3. Installing the Plugin

Just unzip the RenGuardOverhaul.esp and the RenGuardOverhaul.bsa file to your Oblivion\Data folder, overwriting anything already there. Also, if you wish to use the new INI loading feature, you must extract the INI Files folder into your Oblivion\YuData folder."

Is "YuData" intentional? I don't want to assume you just mean "Data" and then screw something up...

Do assume. INI files for plugins are almost always installed in the Data folder or in Pluggy's folder, if the mod uses Pluggy. If you did install the INI to some random folder that RGO didn't know about, the worst that would happen is that a debug message would be printed to the console (or a log) telling you the INI file couldn't be found.

...
- Tomlong75210

Edit: wording

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:03 pm

From the v2.53 ReadMe:
"3. Installing the Plugin

Just unzip the RenGuardOverhaul.esp and the RenGuardOverhaul.bsa file to your Oblivion\Data folder, overwriting anything already there. Also, if you wish to use the new INI loading feature, you must extract the INI Files folder into your Oblivion\YuData folder."

Is "YuData" intentional? I don't want to assume you just mean "Data" and then screw something up...

No, it's not intentional. It's a simple typo / cut and paste error that I didn't catch before releasing 2.53. You extract the INI file folder to your Oblivion\Data folder.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:54 pm

Reneer,

Ran into a bug in my install, not sure what's going on, so here I am.

Basically, I can't turn off the "Guards Follow Player" option. I tried using the menu, and it never changes the "Yes" to a "No." Other menu options change and should be working. I also tried editing the INI file, changed the option to 0 and made the RGO plugin in-game reference the INI file, to no effect. I'm running 2.53, and here's my load order and pluggy dump. Any help would be appreciated.

Note: Possibly obvious, but in the pluggy dump, it shows the guard stops following; that's from me un-sneaking or sheathing weapon.

Thanks!

Pluggy Dump

Spoiler

2011-1-15 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now following the player. 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now a guard... 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is no longer following the player. 951.7
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now following the player. 953.977
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now a guard... 953.977
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is no longer following the player. 956.957
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is now following the player. 961.434
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is now a guard... 961.434
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is no longer following the player. 965.179

Load Order

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Francesco's Optional Files.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
ATakesAll.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
Morrowind Lockpicking.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp
idkrrr_sarameyesNhairs4originalrace.esp
idkrrr_sarams_race.esp
AmidalaSaramHair.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:37 am

Reneer,

Ran into a bug in my install, not sure what's going on, so here I am.

Basically, I can't turn off the "Guards Follow Player" option. I tried using the menu, and it never changes the "Yes" to a "No." Other menu options change and should be working. I also tried editing the INI file, changed the option to 0 and made the RGO plugin in-game reference the INI file, to no effect. I'm running 2.53, and here's my load order and pluggy dump. Any help would be appreciated.

Note: Possibly obvious, but in the pluggy dump, it shows the guard stops following; that's from me un-sneaking or sheathing weapon.

Thanks!

Pluggy Dump

Spoiler

2011-1-15 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now following the player. 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now a guard... 950.124
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is no longer following the player. 951.7
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now following the player. 953.977
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is now a guard... 953.977
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016428) is no longer following the player. 956.957
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is now following the player. 961.434
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is now a guard... 961.434
RenCrimeGuardRingScript: Guard (00016427) is no longer following the player. 965.179

Load Order

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Francesco's Optional Files.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
ATakesAll.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
Morrowind Lockpicking.esp
No psychic guards v1.2.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp
EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp
idkrrr_sarameyesNhairs4originalrace.esp
idkrrr_sarams_race.esp
AmidalaSaramHair.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I'll check it out for 2.54, which I am working on, just very slowly due to time constraints.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:32 pm

I'll check it out for 2.54, which I am working on, just very slowly due to time constraints.

No worries, it's not a huge issue, just annoying. Those guards seem to spot me from a mile away, so I just have to be very careful.

Thanks!

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:59 am

Potential Crash Bug Found:

Description:

Persistent CTD on start of Third Game Day (by Default "Last Seed 29") in heavily modded game (From fresh istall using Blade Of Mercy's Guide. Excellent stability otherwise). Attempted new game, no crash until after actually playing for three days (Resting in tutorial dungeon did not result in CTD). Attempted to change gameday via console with same result. Attempted to rest 24 hours with same result. Attempted Clean Save procedure as outline in readme, same result.

Problem Isolated to Reneer's Guard Overhaul v2.53 (by loading mods individually until crash was replicated. Verified by no crash after loading all but RGO. Three tests each.)

Possible Causes:

1) Failure to load Quest related to mod?
2) Re-spawn Error related to Mod (respawn timer set to default of 3 days)?
3) Use of "payfine" command on console (game still reads guard pursuit w/ lack of fine and eliminates rest and fast travel)

Remedies:
1) Attempting to roll back versions until problem is resolved (will edit post when solution is discovered)
2) Uninstall (Last Resort)

Documentation:

Load Order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  You Are Here.esm05  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  Qarls_Harvest.esm0A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0B  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0C  VASE - core.esm0D  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0E  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0F  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]10  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]11  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]12  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]13  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]14  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]15  CURP_Controller.esm16  NNWAEMaster.esm17  CM Partners.esm18  HorseCombatMaster.esm19  ScreenEffects.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp1A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]1B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp1C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk UOS.esp1D  Better Cities .esp1E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  Fran Armor Add-on.esp22  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp23  NaturalHabitat.esp24  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]++  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp  [Version Final]25  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp**  Real Lava 1.3.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp26  MIS Low Wind.esp27  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp28  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp29  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp2A  Storms & Sound.esp2B  WindowLightingSystem.esp2C  AliveWaters.esp2D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp2E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp2F  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp30  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp31  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp32  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp33  Guide Books.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]34  Qarls_Harvest.esp35  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]36  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]37  Reznod_Mannequin.esp38  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]39  BookTrackerOBSE.esp3A  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]3B  FormID Finder4.esp3C  Get Wet.esp3D  kuerteeCleanUp.esp3E  ScreenControls.esp3F  Streamline 3.1.esp40  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]41  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]42  Guild Map Markers.esp43  DLCHorseArmor.esp44  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]45  DLCOrrery.esp46  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp47  DLCVileLair.esp48  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]**  Lair_mobs.esp49  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp4A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Mehrunes_mobs.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp4B  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  CSR - Golden Saint.esp**  FineWeapons.esp**  RustyItems.esp4C  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]4D  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp4E  DLCThievesDen.esp4F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp**  Thievesden_mobs.esp50  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp52  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]53  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]54  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp55  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]58  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]59  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]**  CSR - Fine Iron.esp**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]5A  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]5B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]5D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]60  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]61  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]62  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]63  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]64  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp65  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]66  Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp67  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp68  KvatchAftermath.esp69  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]6A  Anduril Reforged.esp6B  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]6D  Gift of Kynareth.esp6E  GTAesgaard.esp6F  GTAesgaard_2.esp70  KvatchRising.esp71  KumikoManor.esp72  GlenvarCastle.esp**  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp73  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]74  LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp  [Version 2.5]75  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp76  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp77  Malevolent.esp**  Malevolent Vwalk.esp78  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.2]79  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp7A  NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp7B  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp7C  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp7D  eyja.esp**  eyja Vwalk.esp7E  TheElderCouncil.esp7F  TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp80  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp81  TheForgottenShields.esp82  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp83  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.2]++  VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp84  WOTFH_1.3.esp85  Windfall.esp**  Windfall Vwalk.esp86  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp87  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Battlehorn_mobs.esp88  DLCFrostcrag.esp89  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp8A  Knights.esp**  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp8B  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]8C  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Cybiades Vwalk.esp8D  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp8E  RTT.esp++  Enhanced Weather - Ruined Tail's Tale Patch.esp  [Version Final]**  RTT Vwalk.esp8F  The Lost Spires.esp**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp90  Mighty Umbra.esp91  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]92  Blood&Mud.esp93  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp94  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp95  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]96  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp97  TheNecromancer.esp98  MannimarcoComplete.esp99  MannimarcoRevisited.esp9A  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9B  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9C  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9D  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]**  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.espA0  bartholm.espA1  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  bartholm Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A2  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]A3  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A4  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A5  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]A6  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]A7  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.espA8  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  more books teach.espA9  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]AA  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].espAB  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espAC  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espAD  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espAE  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espAF  StarX Vampire Deaths.espB0  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]B1  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]B2  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espB3  RealisticForceMedium.espB4  RealisticMagicForceMedium.espB5  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espB6  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.espB7  Advanced Magecraft.espB8  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B9  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]BA  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]BB  MidasSpells.espBC  StealthOverhaul.espBD  RenGuardOverhaul.espBE  Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.espBF  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espC0  DRSplatter.espC1  Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp  [Version 2.0]C2  Kobu's Character Advancement System.espC3  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]C4  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.espC5  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  Better Redguard v2.esp**  Better Redguard v2 Vwalk.espC6  CM Partners.esp**  CM Partners Vwalk.espC7  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.espC8  CM Partners NPC NE.esp**  CM Partners NPC NE Vwalk.espC9  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp**  CM Partners More NPCs NE Vwalk.espCA  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.espCB  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.espCC  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]**  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp++  1em_Vilja MMM Fix.espCD  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVNoSIVersion_Core_still_required.esp  [Version 10.5DV-D]**  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espCE  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CF  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D0  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]D1  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]D2  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  bgIntegrationEV - 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Pluggy Dump:

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2011-1-27 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699

Personal Note:
I've been enjoying RGO since the first public release, and have always been pleased by what it adds to game play. I hope my concise bug report is sufficient to make the job of fixing the issue easier. I know that this issue will be resolved soon, and I look forward to returning RGO to it's rightful place in my Load Order. Thank you Reneer for your dedication and great modding skill.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:34 pm

Potential Crash Bug Found:

Description:

Persistent CTD on start of Third Game Day (by Default "Last Seed 29") in heavily modded game (From fresh istall using Blade Of Mercy's Guide. Excellent stability otherwise). Attempted new game, no crash until after actually playing for three days (Resting in tutorial dungeon did not result in CTD). Attempted to change gameday via console with same result. Attempted to rest 24 hours with same result. Attempted Clean Save procedure as outline in readme, same result.

Problem Isolated to Reneer's Guard Overhaul v2.53 (by loading mods individually until crash was replicated. Verified by no crash after loading all but RGO. Three tests each.)

Possible Causes:

1) Failure to load Quest related to mod?

Which quest? Why? None of the quests activate after three days have passed. Plus, there are only four RGO scripts that use GameDaysPassed, and none of them are Quests.

2) Re-spawn Error related to Mod (respawn timer set to default of 3 days)?

RGO doesn't do anything with respawning or the respawn timer.

3) Use of "payfine" command on console (game still reads guard pursuit w/ lack of fine and eliminates rest and fast travel)

PayFine should generally not be used in the console. If you are saying that you are using PayFine in this manner, that is likely your problem.

Remedies:
1) Attempting to roll back versions until problem is resolved (will edit post when solution is discovered)
2) Uninstall (Last Resort)

Documentation:

Load Order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  You Are Here.esm05  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  Qarls_Harvest.esm0A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0B  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0C  VASE - core.esm0D  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0E  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0F  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]10  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]11  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]12  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]13  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]14  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]15  CURP_Controller.esm16  NNWAEMaster.esm17  CM Partners.esm18  HorseCombatMaster.esm19  ScreenEffects.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp1A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]1B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp1C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk UOS.esp1D  Better Cities .esp1E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  Fran Armor Add-on.esp22  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp23  NaturalHabitat.esp24  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]++  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 50.esp  [Version Final]25  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp**  Real Lava 1.3.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp26  MIS Low Wind.esp27  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp28  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp29  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp2A  Storms & Sound.esp2B  WindowLightingSystem.esp2C  AliveWaters.esp2D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp2E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp2F  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp30  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp31  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp32  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp33  Guide Books.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]34  Qarls_Harvest.esp35  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]36  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]37  Reznod_Mannequin.esp38  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]39  BookTrackerOBSE.esp3A  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]3B  FormID Finder4.esp3C  Get Wet.esp3D  kuerteeCleanUp.esp3E  ScreenControls.esp3F  Streamline 3.1.esp40  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]41  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]42  Guild Map Markers.esp43  DLCHorseArmor.esp44  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]45  DLCOrrery.esp46  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp47  DLCVileLair.esp48  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]**  Lair_mobs.esp49  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp4A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Mehrunes_mobs.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp4B  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  CSR - Golden Saint.esp**  FineWeapons.esp**  RustyItems.esp4C  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]4D  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp4E  DLCThievesDen.esp4F  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp**  Thievesden_mobs.esp50  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp52  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]53  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]54  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp55  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]58  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]59  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]**  CSR - Fine Iron.esp**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]5A  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]5B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]5D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]60  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]61  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]62  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]63  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]64  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp65  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]66  Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp67  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp68  KvatchAftermath.esp69  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]6A  Anduril Reforged.esp6B  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]6D  Gift of Kynareth.esp6E  GTAesgaard.esp6F  GTAesgaard_2.esp70  KvatchRising.esp71  KumikoManor.esp72  GlenvarCastle.esp**  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp73  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]74  LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp  [Version 2.5]75  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp76  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp77  Malevolent.esp**  Malevolent Vwalk.esp78  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.2]79  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp7A  NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp7B  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp7C  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp7D  eyja.esp**  eyja Vwalk.esp7E  TheElderCouncil.esp7F  TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp80  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp81  TheForgottenShields.esp82  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp83  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.2]++  VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp84  WOTFH_1.3.esp85  Windfall.esp**  Windfall Vwalk.esp86  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp87  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Battlehorn_mobs.esp88  DLCFrostcrag.esp89  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp8A  Knights.esp**  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp8B  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]8C  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Cybiades Vwalk.esp8D  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp8E  RTT.esp++  Enhanced Weather - Ruined Tail's Tale Patch.esp  [Version Final]**  RTT Vwalk.esp8F  The Lost Spires.esp**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp90  Mighty Umbra.esp91  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]92  Blood&Mud.esp93  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp94  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp95  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]96  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp97  TheNecromancer.esp98  MannimarcoComplete.esp99  MannimarcoRevisited.esp9A  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9B  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9C  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9D  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]**  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.espA0  bartholm.espA1  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  bartholm Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A2  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]A3  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A4  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A5  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]A6  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]A7  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.espA8  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  more books teach.espA9  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]AA  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].espAB  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espAC  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espAD  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espAE  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espAF  StarX Vampire Deaths.espB0  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]B1  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]B2  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espB3  RealisticForceMedium.espB4  RealisticMagicForceMedium.espB5  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espB6  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.espB7  Advanced Magecraft.espB8  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B9  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]BA  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]BB  MidasSpells.espBC  StealthOverhaul.espBD  RenGuardOverhaul.espBE  Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.espBF  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espC0  DRSplatter.espC1  Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp  [Version 2.0]C2  Kobu's Character Advancement System.espC3  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]C4  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.espC5  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Item interchange - 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2011-1-27 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.53 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 947.699

Personal Note:
I've been enjoying RGO since the first public release, and have always been pleased by what it adds to game play. I hope my concise bug report is sufficient to make the job of fixing the issue easier. I know that this issue will be resolved soon, and I look forward to returning RGO to it's rightful place in my Load Order. Thank you Reneer for your dedication and great modding skill.

Unfortunately your report offers little assistance in fixing this bug, especially considering that you are running 200+ mods at once. As I have stated in the past: Simply removing RGO from the load order does not mean that RGO is the direct cause of the crash. I'm not experiencing this 3-day bug and, as far as I know, few others are either. If I'm not running into it myself, and the bug is very nebulous (such as what you are describing), plus the fact that you're the only one currently reporting it to me, that all means I have almost zero chance of figuring out how to even identify the bug, let alone how to fix it. Unless you can further pinpoint the situation that is causing this crash, I can't hope to fix it.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:09 pm

Thx, Reneer for your awesome mod!

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:56 am

Hey!

I read somewhere that RGO is incompatible with SM's Combat Hide. Is this a fact? And if so, what is the nature of the conflict i.e. is it a minor one or they really shouldn't be used together?

Thank you!

cc

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:54 am

Hey!

I read somewhere that RGO is incompatible with SM's Combat Hide. Is this a fact? And if so, what is the nature of the conflict i.e. is it a minor one or they really shouldn't be used together?

Thank you!

cc

Hmmm. Actually, I'm not sure if the two are incompatible. It's been a long time since I tested any mods with RGO.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:42 am

Last time I asked about disguises it was Shady Sam who had them, have they been moved again because he didn't have any...if so where can I find them?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:48 pm

Last time I asked about disguises it was Shady Sam who had them, have they been moved again because he didn't have any...if so where can I find them?

The Disguises were removed when I recreated the mod from scratch for version 2.5. I can add them in again when I get the chance.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:17 pm

Hi Reneer

I've been a long time fan of your mods. Since the code re-build beginning with v.2.5 of RGO, are there any known bugs that are game breaking? ( I was shocked to learn that you started from scratch with your code work! Thanks is in order

)
Would the Regional bounties conflict with those of FCOM?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:19 am

Hi Reneer

I've been a long time fan of your mods. Since the code re-build beginning with v.2.5 of RGO, are there any known bugs that are game breaking? ( I was shocked to learn that you started from scratch with your code work! Thanks is in order

)
Would the Regional bounties conflict with those of FCOM?

... I didn't even know FCOM had regional bounties, for one.

As for game-breaking bugs... none that I've been able to verify. Some people in the thread insist that RGO causes CTDs, but I don't run into those. Are there bugs? Sure there are. I try to fix those when I can... but if there was a srs bug, I'd fix that as quick as I could.

And the 2.5 recode was essentially me getting fed up with the various subsystems of RGO fighting one another and so I created another ESP (RenGuardOverhaul2.5.esp) which was later renamed RenGuardOverhaul.esp so people wouldn't go crazy with old versions play havoc with the new one.