From: [RELz] Reneer's Guard Overhaul : IV - Oblivion

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:28 pm

As far as RGO is concerned, it doesn't matter at all - or rather, RGO will operate exactly as vanilla would.

Good. I tested some more, and found that setting ownership of plants didn't work as I expected, or rather, didn't work at all. The reticle icon becomes red as it should, but the harvested ingredients don't (which is OK), but a guard looking at me while harvesting doesn't care at all, and I get no bounty. Do you have any idea if there's some easy fix?

What I tried, was to manually increase the bounty if the player was observed when doing this illegal harvesting. That worked as it should, but I guess that's not very compatible with your mod. So I was thinking, if I want to increase the bounty for stealing plants, is there any way I can do so in a fully RGO-compatible way?

As you may know, OBSE gives me any necessary functions to check/set any variable in your mod, so I hope there is some region-specific variables to read/set in order to make this fully compatible - or do you simply monitor changes to the bounty and do your stuff when the bounty changes, in which case it will be fully compatible without doing anything special?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:13 pm

Hmm...seems RGO stopped running at som point in my latest play session. Last entry in the Debug txt is when entering Iniel Sintav's house in the Elven Gardens district. Then I exiteted the house, entered the two inns, entered the Market District, entered some shops, headed back towards the Elven garden and noticed the guard at the gate was dead. When I looted him the corpse shouted "Thief!" at me and my bounty increased. Also the live guards didn't react to me drawing my weapon.
I have no idea how that guard ended up dead during the few minutes my character went shopping...he's not one of the guards that OOO replaces with a female guard.

Hmm. I'll look into that for 2.53. Yet another thing to figure out...

Good. I tested some more, and found that setting ownership of plants didn't work as I expected, or rather, didn't work at all. The reticle icon becomes red as it should, but the harvested ingredients don't (which is OK), but a guard looking at me while harvesting doesn't care at all, and I get no bounty. Do you have any idea if there's some easy fix?

What I tried, was to manually increase the bounty if the player was observed when doing this illegal harvesting. That worked as it should, but I guess that's not very compatible with your mod. So I was thinking, if I want to increase the bounty for stealing plants, is there any way I can do so in a fully RGO-compatible way?

As you may know, OBSE gives me any necessary functions to check/set any variable in your mod, so I hope there is some region-specific variables to read/set in order to make this fully compatible - or do you simply monitor changes to the bounty and do your stuff when the bounty changes, in which case it will be fully compatible without doing anything special?

RGO will work just fine by using ModCrimeGold and such, but it will assume that the crime-gold added is "global" - that, since it doesn't have any resulting stealing / murder / other stuff attached to it (RGO checks this generally by looking at PCMiscStat and checking NPCs to see if the player has committed a crime against them) then the crime-gold will apply everywhere.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:45 pm

Hmm...seems RGO stopped running at som point in my latest play session. Last entry in the Debug txt is when entering Iniel Sintav's house in the Elven Gardens district. Then I exiteted the house, entered the two inns, entered the Market District, entered some shops, headed back towards the Elven garden and noticed the guard at the gate was dead. When I looted him the corpse shouted "Thief!" at me and my bounty increased. Also the live guards didn't react to me drawing my weapon.
I have no idea how that guard ended up dead during the few minutes my character went shopping...he's not one of the guards that OOO replaces with a female guard.

I've seen dead guards lying dead in the Imperial City, who shout "Thief!" if I loot them. I think this is the side-effect of some FCOM component with NPCs (especially guards) dropping dead for no reason. I think that RGO might not be related for this specific issue (NPCs drop dead) as I don't have it installed in my current playthrough. Though it does seem that RGO stopped working in your game as you reported.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:05 pm

I've seen dead guards lying dead in the Imperial City, who shout "Thief!" if I loot them. I think this is the side-effect of some FCOM component with NPCs (especially guards) dropping dead for no reason. I think that RGO might not be related for this specific issue (NPCs drop dead) as I don't have it installed in my current playthrough. Though it does seem that RGO stopped working in your game as you reported.

Yes, I agree. I should have clarified that I didn't mean RGO had something to do with the guards dying.
But it seems to ignore the state (alive/dead/asleep) of an NPC when doing detect crime, although it may be just a fluke and the bounty then gets reset. I broke into the house of the guy who was arrested for attempting the Night Mother ritual, and the guard sleeping there at night gave the arrest speech and my bounty increased even though he never woke up (I was sneaking). The bounty was reset a while later, though. And the log file didn't reveal anything.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:19 pm

Yes, I agree. I should have clarified that I didn't mean RGO had something to do with the guards dying.
But it seems to ignore the state (alive/dead/asleep) of an NPC when doing detect crime, although it may be just a fluke and the bounty then gets reset. I broke into the house of the guy who was arrested for attempting the Night Mother ritual, and the guard sleeping there at night gave the arrest speech and my bounty increased even though he never woke up (I was sneaking). The bounty was reset a while later, though. And the log file didn't reveal anything.

Well, actually, the thing is that RGO does check to see if the Guard / NPC is alive or dead. I'll look into it for 2.53 - I might have forgotten to include the check when I recoded the Guard and Civilian scripts... ^.^;

Edit: Oooops. Looks like I did. I'll fix it for 2.53. So many little problems...

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:43 pm

It looks like the problem with guards dropping dead is tied to the mod for some reason stops running during play.
In my latest play session the log file stopped long before I stopped playing. And I encountered several dead Guards, from at least three different mods.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:44 am

It looks like the problem with guards dropping dead is tied to the mod for some reason stops running during play.
In my latest play session the log file stopped long before I stopped playing. And I encountered several dead Guards, from at least three different mods.

Hmm. Odd. RGO doesn't kill Guards in the code, ever. I'll look into it.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:36 pm

My configuration crime settings doesnt work I click on one to change murder and steal and nothing happens and i become stuck in that part of the configuration menu
Heres the debug:
2010-11-2 - RGODebugFile - RGO Version: 2.52 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 4, msgbox2 = 4 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 9, msgbox2 = 0 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 4, msgbox2 = 4 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 7, msgbox2 = 0 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 4, msgbox2 = 4 85.7202
RenCrimeConfigTextEnglishScript: User pressed spacebar. msgbox = 0, msgbox2 = 0 85.7202
and my load order

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Also the guards started following me once but for some reason now they just stand there When i am sneaking

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:31 am

Reneer's Guard Overhaul 2.53 Released!

2.53: Fixed issues with Guards not properly following player. Fixed issue with dead Guards / NPCs still yelling about crimes. Added in new INI file loader and fixed Configuration Menu issues (due to second quest not running properly). Added back in feature where Guards will no longer kill one another after dealing with primary threat.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:48 am

Hmm. Odd. RGO doesn't kill Guards in the code, ever. I'll look into it.

Did you find out anything? I first thought it was MMM causing it (or it was a weird MMM-RGO conflict) since the first few guards I found dead had a "wounding token" in their possessions. But then I noticed that all the NPCs I found dead were guards, they were from many different mods, not all of them had the token in their possessions and I noticed them in playing sessions where the RGO log indicated that (parts of) RGO had stopped working early in the play session.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:49 pm

Did you find out anything? I first thought it was MMM causing it (or it was a weird MMM-RGO conflict) since the first few guards I found dead had a "wounding token" in their possessions. But then I noticed that all the NPCs I found dead were guards, they were from many different mods, not all of them had the token in their possessions and I noticed them in playing sessions where the RGO log indicated that (parts of) RGO had stopped working early in the play session.

I wasn't able to reproduce the odd behavior.

And how did you know that parts of RGO had stopped working via the log file? It doesn't keep track of which quests are running.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:28 pm

And how did you know that parts of RGO had stopped working via the log file? It doesn't keep track of which quests are running.

Assuming I know what I'm talking about: everytime I enter a new cell or I'm within a certain distance of a NPC a line like this is generated:

NPC (Sevarius Atius) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him.

But sometimes the log file stops after a certain (random, as far as I cam tell) time and no new lines are generated, even though I know I've met lots of other NPCs after the last log entry. It's also during these times I've seen dead Guards.
I'm currently taking a small break from Oblivion, but I'll do some testing with and without both RGO 252 and 253 to confirm that it is really RGO causing this. And if it is I'll do more testing to see if I can figure out which other mod is contributing to these odd deaths of guards. Since only Anithinks and me (that I know) have experienced this, it suggests a weird mod conflict.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:03 pm

PetrusOctavianus I also am having dead guards but I have not done any testing to find out what mod it is that is causing this yet.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:00 am

PetrusOctavianus I also am having dead guards but I have not done any testing to find out what mod it is that is causing this yet.

Can you post your load order? That should hopefully reduce the number of candidates.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:24 pm

Here you go

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» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:07 am

Assuming I know what I'm talking about: everytime I enter a new cell or I'm within a certain distance of a NPC a line like this is generated:

NPC (Sevarius Atius) is checking to see if player committed a crime against him.

But sometimes the log file stops after a certain (random, as far as I cam tell) time and no new lines are generated, even though I know I've met lots of other NPCs after the last log entry. It's also during these times I've seen dead Guards.
I'm currently taking a small break from Oblivion, but I'll do some testing with and without both RGO 252 and 253 to confirm that it is really RGO causing this. And if it is I'll do more testing to see if I can figure out which other mod is contributing to these odd deaths of guards. Since only Anithinks and me (that I know) have experienced this, it suggests a weird mod conflict.

The only reason that is happening is because your character is walking around with a bounty - and that NPC has not been checked to see if the player has committed a crime against him.

Each NPC keeps track of the player's crime gold. If it goes up, the NPC checks to see if the player has committed a crime against him. If not, then the NPC simply sets the variable to the player's crime-gold and that's it. Since all NPC variables start at 0, if the player has a crime-gold of 50, every NPC he encounters will check to see if the player committed a crime against him. This is done in this manner because it allows NPCs to immediately check if the player has committed a crime against them once the player's crime-gold goes up.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:14 am

Reneer can you please tell me how will RGO work with SHOUT and HearNoEvil?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:03 pm

Reneer can you please tell me how will RGO work with SHOUT and HearNoEvil?

I don't know - with RGO's new code, possibly not well, as RGO turns off Guard functionality when it is not needed so Guards aren't so psychic.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:39 pm

Thanks for the update Reneer, now i get followed when i'm sneaking, love it....

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:04 pm

I don't know - with RGO's new code, possibly not well, as RGO turns off Guard functionality when it is not needed so Guards aren't so psychic.

Hi Reneer!

Talking about psychic guards.. Does RGO lower the disposition of crime victims?

As a happy user of your mod, that's the only functionality for which I'm keeping "No Psychic Guards Harder fix"..

* From NPGH Readme: "If you attack or murder, the disposition of the victim as well as any witnesses drops to 0.
All other crimes result in a disposition of 0 on the victim."

Thanks

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:36 pm

Hi Reneer!

Talking about psychic guards.. Does RGO lower the disposition of crime victims?

As a happy user of your mod, that's the only functionality for which I'm keeping "No Psychic Guards Harder fix"..

* From NPGH Readme: "If you attack or murder, the disposition of the victim as well as any witnesses drops to 0.
All other crimes result in a disposition of 0 on the victim."

Thanks

RGO does not modify the disposition of victims or witnesses - it lets the vanilla behavior / other mods handle that.

Glad to hear the mod is working well for you.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:24 pm

I don't know - with RGO's new code, possibly not well, as RGO turns off Guard functionality when it is not needed so Guards aren't so psychic.

What about PiiiP?

I am looking for mods that will allow the player to hide while in battle or something like that with no psychic guards

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:16 pm

What about PiiiP?

I am looking for mods that will allow the player to hide while in battle or something like that with no psychic guards

Oh. Hide from Guards only, or civilians (basically everyone else that isn't a Guard)? RGO will certainly allow that (hiding from NPCs in battle), but calling for a Guard for help may not work. PiiiiP / Enhanced Grabbing is totally supported by RGO.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:16 pm

Ack double post! -.-

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:43 am

so far I've always used your guard overhaul and never encountered serious problems, until now. after updating this mod, my game started crashing at a certain point during the bruma quest "a brotherhood betrayed". after the guard told me to meet him at the inn in 1 hour to arrest the alleged vampire hunter, oblivion crashed each time I tried to wait. no matter whether I "quick waited" or just stood around for 1 game hour, the result was always a ctd. after deactivating RGO, everything went back to normal.

all I did was updating obse to v19 and overwriting old RGO with the new one. now I'm kinda reluctant to install it again, because I have a number of open quests where guards may be involved as well.

edit: actually I didn't just overwrite the old files. I made a clean save first, then installed the newest version.