Do you want to be able to cast, for example, an ice spell that freeze the water? It would melt after a while, and would be a nice touch.

I wouldn't care if there was something like this, but it's better to leave it out, just in case

It would be really awesome! +1

Well skyrims vamps have the power to go through ice and freeze people so it makes sence...

I like it but I wouldn't care if the game didn't have it, however we are able to interact with barrels of oil so maybe

Just in case? In case what?

Real ice physics would be cool I admit, but all I'm saying is that I don't mind if it is not in the game


In case that it would cause bethesdas heads to explode because they cannot get it working properly-in case.

Melt ice would be more useful if the enemy stands on it.
Sorry forgot, you could freeze it while he is swimming and walk over and hit his head with something hard.

Oh I would LOOOOOOVE hunting Bambi on the ice...

You mean the water wasn't already frozen in the trailer?

Or freeze him into it and watch him die of 0 air and minimum heat...

I guess that if you could freeze watee with an ice spell, we could also melt the ice with a fire spell.

Ah I see. Yeah, that's a pretty valid reason not to have it, if it would indeed be that difficult. Though I don't know how difficult it would actually be. Doesn't seem like it would be, all you would be doing was adding a "frozen water" mesh to the area the player casted as soon as it hit the water. Seems like something people would even be able to mod in. And probably even have an animation of it sinking and disappearing. The Legend of Zelda games have had this in a few of the 3D games.

Hopefully there are frozen lakes that break if your too heavy or strike it wiht your axe.

But that sort of stuff sounds like Digital Molecular Matter, might not be possible with vanilla havok.

It doesnt sound like something that would be too hard to add into vanilla Skyrim. It would absolutly be fun to play around with somethink like it

Listen, I'm an adamant supporter of combat where you can use the environment to your advantage. It's just really enjoyable to throw and oil jar at your enemy and light them up, or freeze their feet as they're walking through a puddle. The problem is that some of these are more feasible than others. I hope there is at least something of the sort in the game, though.

http://www.magickagame.com/ Well worth checking out i might add, it has what is possibly the best magic system ever developed in a game.

It's not that complicated, the game I linked was developed by five people if I recall correctly. If they can make it work, Bethesda really should be able to.

Information on vamps has been released?

I've gotta disagree. I think to do this as several have suggested would be incredibly difficult.

Sure if we just want cold spells to have some generic extra pixels of frosty whiteness appear when they hit water, yeah probably not too hard. But that would be pointless.

The idea of actually having the spell create some mass of ice? Much harder. 1st it wouldn't sink, ice floats. They would have to create a new object with appropriate visuals, then give it proper physics (such as floating on water, but sliding along stone pavements if we got some in a street). And that (which I see as utterly past any physics in Oblivion), gets us ice in a minimally interactive way.

Add in the effects some mention, such as freezing enemies in/under ice, or ice melting over time, or ice melting from fire...and we're talking about a very large amount of coding. All ice would have to be assigned a sort of "cold points" that decrease over time relative to the temperature in the area it's located (we would of course want ice to melt quickly in a blacksmith's shop but very slowly if at all on a snowing mountain right?). Then how size changes as it melts. Also the damage done to enemies who are encased would need to be determined and kept track of.

No, in the end I think the only practical implementations are fairly pointless, and the interesting parts are beyond Bethesda or any game makers at this point (not of course if they really wanted too, but the time required to make ice realistic would be much better spent elsewhere).

As cool as the idea sounds and as great as it would be to have it in the game, I feel like these are the kind of ideas developers make fun of us for.

I dislike Magicka, its overly convoluted.

On top of that, its a completely different engine.

I would like it.... But i would say for high levels only.... Because if low levels were kinda restricted out of one area by a man eating octopus, then all a low level would have to do is freeze the water and walk across.....

Well, I do remember my old Harry potter 3 game, which actually had a spell that froze water so that I could walk on it. I realize its different, but I would think that its very possible. That, alongside with being able the burn wood with a fire spell would be neat.

Look at this screen, in the back on the right hand side, it looks like the ground is a frozen lake or frozen river:

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp90/john123_0/wmplayer2011-02-2517-39-39-34.jpg

Yes, I want to smite my sledded poleaxe (polacks?) on the ice.