Red Mountain possibly is measured from it's base (below sea level) to it's peak. If we're only measuring from sea level up, then Hrothgar's peak could definitely beat it.

Also, Red Mountain and Vvardenfell are the same thing. It is the central Island part of Morrowind. Morrowind is Vvardenfell (Red Mountain) plus the rest of the territory surrounding the Volcano.

(EDIT) For clarification.

But...that is nothing more than you guessing, when we have a http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-skyrim that plainly states Red Mountain is the highest mountain, with HH coming in second.

Got a source for that? I don't believe it says anywhere how the two mountains are measured, we simply know that Red Mountain is the highest peak in Tamriel... which sort of implies that it is highest which ever way you try to measure it.





I'm not sure if its mentioned what happened to the Ashlanders, just that many Dunmer went to Solstheim. I'm sure a few among them were Ashlander or Ashlanders who had already assimilated into House/Imperial culture, but I agree, I think their way of life could not easily survive after these events. I imagine they were slowly dwindling anyways.

I'm pretty sure they were invaded by Argonia in their weekend state, through I don't think Morrowind is occupied save a bit of its southern boarder. Any Dunmer that left after the destruction were sulking or running to Skyrim, not at all waltzing.

The Argonian Occupation stretches up to what remains of Vivec City, now known as Scathing Bay, at least. The destruction probably only gets more intense the further north you go.

dang. that'll be interesting.

My naked Nord better have a spear! :blush:

The manuscript is better.

The proof is that Morrowind is an Island formed by the Volcano, Red Mountain (or Vvardenfell which ever name you'd prefer). All Islands are ALWAYS measured from their base below sea level, to their peaks above sea level. Since Skyrim is a part of the Continent it is measured starting at its lowest point at sea level, to its peak. That is just geographical fact and you don't need any piece of lore to tell you that. So it's NOT guessing. Plus I did not dispute that Red Mountain was the tallest, I simply stated the differences between how the two are measured.

Wait... you KNOW, how the Imperial Geographical Society measures all mountains and islands... that is very interesting. I wonder, what technology do they use to measure the depths of the waters surrounding Vvardenfell and how they get to those depths. In any case, no one said it was the tallest mountain, they said it was the highest peak... that really doesn't have anything to do with how tall the mountain is from its base and everything to do with the altitude of the highest point.

Of course I don't know for sure but I'm going off of the facts presented, and the only other knowledge I have on how mountains and islands are measured in real life. As far as technology, how can you be skeptical of the societies ability to measure below sea level when the use of magic is so common place and water breathing spells and enchantments are readily available. After that it would be a simple task to measure the same way down as they would measure up. I did not dispute the fact that Red Mountain is bigger, and since no source is truly clear on HOW Red Mountain is bigger neither of us can really make a compelling case for any specific argument. I gave my views. You clearly disagree and that's fine.

(EDIT) "This is the highest mountain in Skyrim, and the highest in Tamriel aside from Vvardenfell in Morrowind." This is the best information we have on knowing that Red Mountain is higher, but since we don't know where the measuring is starting it's still vague and it could be that Red Mountain is measured the way I say it is, or they are both measured beginning at sea level which would also mean that Red Mountain is taller still than High Hrothgar. For all we know, High Hrothgar's measuring could begin at the first of the 7,000 steps to the top.

They probably measured in pounds.


That wouldn't make very much sense.

But now that you bring up the method of measurement I guess tons would be a better gauge.
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You're right, it wouldn't make very much sense which is why I said it. I offered what I feel to be a logical argument since there is no scale of measurement presented in the Lore. The other guy refuted based on as much information as I had to make my point, which is next to none, only his argument (which wasn't really an argument, he just expressed doubt without offering any other alternative) made less sense.

(EDIT) What do you means by tons being a better gauge? Tons measures weight not height..

But it* wasn't really an argument. It* was a statement directly from lore.

*Chimer's comment

Right, but a statement that offered no solution to what he was refuting. Which was the possible differences in the way that Hrothgar and Vvardenfell are measured. Therefore it was invalid since I was not disputing the fact that Red Mountain is larger than High Hrothgar.

Ok.
The whole thing sounded like you were declaring Skyrim's beast as taller than Morrowind's beast.


Though now that you mention it, Red Mountain goes from sea to peak (largest span), and is considered the highest mountain. So how would Hrothgat beat it out in any case?


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What I said still stands though, it isn't which is the tallest, its which is the highest. Those are two different things. The tallest building in the world submerged does not make it the highest. Only the highest building in the world... which in fact could be flying through the air for all we know, is in fact the highest building in the world. Since we know that Red Mountain is in fact not flying through the air though... and its base is probably as low as and perhaps lower than HH(if it is measured from underwater as you say) then that makes it not only the highest mountain in Tamriel, but also the tallest! :twirl:

That quote was, admittedly, poorly thought out. Instead of saying that the mountain IS measured from below sea level to its peak, I should have said it POSSIBLY IS etc. I apologize for the misunderstanding and I now understand where all the confusion is coming from. I'll change it immediately. Again, that entire post assumed that Red Mountain would be measured from below sea level to above sea level, and it is rare that an islands sea level to peak height is incredibly high (especially in relation to continental mountains) I apologize, again, for the misunderstanding.

No need to apologize, forums tend to create misunderstandings all on their own.

For some reason, High Spear of Glory sounds kind of dirty, when you put it like that...

But regardless, since the original point of the thread sounds like it was about the possibilty of spears in the game, I'll say that spears may or may not appear in Skyrim, we won't know until Bethesda says "Yes, there are spears in Skyrim" or "No, there are no spears." or if we see a screenshot clearly showing someone holding a spear. I do hope there are spears, but only time will tell if I'll get what I want or not.

Yes, the glory spear that is so big it penetrates the sky.

This may sound stupid? But if they don't include spears I may not buy the game. It's just laziness, ignorance, or hubris on their part not to include the most prolific weapon in the entire realm of human history.

I think some people need to realize that Red Mountain is kaput. Even if it was the tallest peak in Tamriel, it no longer isn't.

I think "some people" already know that Red Mountain essentially erupted and destroyed most of Morrowind leaving only the southern most part and Slostheim as the only livable parts of the region. And I think that "some people" were having a conversation that assumes Red Mountain had not yet been destroyed. And i think other people should grammar check before posting smart arsed remarks.

Volcanoes can erupt without being 'destroyed'. In fact that's how a lot of them get bigger.