Looked at logically any mage who can lev is 50%+ escaped already. I'm betting the Telvanni Mage Towers survived the Tsunami as they were solid and well bedded constructions. The Mage Guilds escaped through the portals and any locals near enough to them

If true to form Hlaalu went towards the Empire while Telvanni and Redoran went North West and North East respectively.

The numbers of Redoran survivors would depend on many factors not least how many casualties they actually took against the Daedrric assault and against the Nords (not recorded) but again destroying a City is not destroying an entire civilisation. I'm sure there were more Redorans in the countryside than in the cities - and they like highlands and plateaus fine - that is the Redoran way often. Coastal settlements would stand no chance but those in upper floors of solidly built houses likely survived.

Also there are Forts to be considered. Massively built.

As I said before I'm sure that Redorans would have been seeking a new capital following the destruction of Ald-ruhn and may well have gone North. Frankly given Nord/Morrowind skirmishes I would not be surprised to learn that Redoran and the Ashlander forces had set up on Solstheim together. Counter and survival.

We will have to await Vol2 and other revelations for that.

Indoril were under intense pressure from both Hllalu and Dres - I doubt they recovered unless offshoots set up enclaves in other areas of Morrowind - likely though agreements with Redoran and Telvanni.

Dres are the dark horses. No settlements on Vvardenfell and if Hllalu were sufficiently weakened by the Imperial downturn then they would have openly pushed Hllalu in time. So likely slavery came back. That would explain Hist reaction nicely. And come the Moonfall Drres would have only their coastal settlements to lose. So likely again the Hist were aiming at Dres.
etc

I get the feeling that the Red Year and the Dunmer diaspora might be the end of the House system. It could be the Dunmer have been so displaced and thinned out that they will think of themselves as Dunmer first.

In Loranna's Lore RP, Ted Peterson used to write that Helseth's ultimate aim was to destroy the House system in favor of a centralized kingdom. Whether or not he has survived, it could be that the Red Year was the final blow to the Houses. Maybe we'll hear more when the second novel is published and when/if there's a TES V game.

I think Dres and Indoril, and possibly some Hllalu were wiped out. I mean, the hist get very angry very easily, I wouldn't cross out the possibility of an argonian let genocide of the Dunmer.

Also, yesterday I was playing Morrowind with my newest character, and it felt so weird because I knew none of this existed in the game world anymore. It burdened my mind so I ported to Vivec, went to the temp, opened the console, clicked on the ministry, and typed "Disable".

I HAVE SAVED MORROWIND.

By the way, should be considered that in Morrowind there aren't only Dunmer, there are people of other races too, although I think that those who are not Dunmer, even though "native", went to provinces where they are native.

i'm disappointed the dunmer weren't completely wiped out. it's about time for the devs to remove that pitiful dnd drow race from TES.

i was more thinking along the lines that after the catastrophe, the surviving dunmer in the other provinces inexplicitly turn back into chimer, as morrowind no longer exists and somehow the conditions of the curse was lifted.

too bad for the ashlanders though.

Poor Ashlanders

Well, at least there are no N'Wah in Morrowind now.

If they continue xenophobic, I agree with abyssmal terror. Otherwise, no.

I'm pretty sure that the Dunmer Great-House system does survive: The Loveletter makes reference to a 'House Jarood' (Unless this is just MK talk, which I doubt) and a House Sul. I also doubt that the Dunmer are going to remain Xenophobic, considering that the Nords on Solsthiem are helping them rebuild. Add to the fact that they themselves are now Outlanders.

Dunmer aren't Dunmer without xenophobia.

@ syronge - Helseth's aim would be a one House system with Helseth at the top - so yeah, that makes great sense! He tried to destroy the House system

@ Mirelurk21 Your comment about the Loveletter and the Houses might also fit into that.

Putting you both together: If Helseth tried and inevitably failed then Great Houses might be destroyed but lesser Houses might survive and even thrive in a new House system

Seems then we might have to discover the basis for that new House system and indeed we may be facing entirely new systems of thought and magica in TESV - some of that would have been required if it was set in Skyrim in any case! Thrumms and the standard Mages Guild stuff do not seem to be the same for example. However I would not be surprised at something beyond the two ... waiting for hints and press releases I guess.

I remember the references to House Jarood and House Sul.

Wouldn't it be wicked if Sul lived to reunite the Dunmer people, or at least some of them, and become their leader?

(That does, of course, present the glaring problem..some half-crazed Ordinator survivor of Red Year pointing at him and saying "But you're the one responsible for destroying our home! Your blasted machine failed us!"..maybe that guy's name is Jarood )

An.... An ordinator survived?

From now on, I'll never be able to live without looking over my shoulder, knowing there's still one Ordinator out there. I know at heart, he'll track me down, and once more the word "Scum" will be ringing in my ear in a motionless dazed nightmare.

No worries - the Ordinator has a pet cliff racer

Now I won't sleep tonight. Thanks a lot.

He might have! I mean..maybe he was a High Ordinator, in Mournhold...or maybe he was on a shopping trip down near Narsis when the thing fell, and somehow managed to survive the Argonian invasion?

Wow, been a couple years since I've been around here. So Vvardenfell got owned by the Ministry of Truth? Interesting.

Although I've kinda been out of the Lore loop, I'm inclined to agree with those who think this development is a good one. For me, it reinforces the notion that the events of and leading up to Morrowind were actually consequential--they really matter, in other words. I see the island's destruction as the bitter fruit of the Tribunal's actions. Vvardenfell was supposed to be the Holy Land of the Dunmer, and specifically under the protection of Vivec (I might be wrong here, but that's the impression I got). Once his power was withdrawn, what else could happen? Furthermore, just because the Neravarine was reincarnated to save the Dunmer doesn't mean that the destruction isn't an aspect of that salvation. Isn't creation through destruction a theme of the Elder Scrolls lore? The Chimer were changed into the Dunmer upon the ascension of the Tribunal, in various accounts. I see this destruction as simply the completion of that process.

This is somewhat tangential, but I've been reading Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun recently, and in those stories something similar happens. The world (Earth in the remote future) gets wiped out in a kind of re-birth process, a process ushered in by a Messianic figure (the Autarch Severian). However, the cataclysm is supposed to precede a new and better era. The idea is that the destruction itself is not a good thing, but is necessary to bring about the final outcome, which is good. The dying world is reborn through death.

Maybe I'm seeing messages that aren't present, by I would interpret Vvardenfell's cataclysm in those terms--as a kind of cathartic episode brought about by the Neravarine's actions, which are themselves a reaction against the Tribunal.

Interesting stuff - but what has happened since does not necessarily support your full thought-train. One post in this thread complains that the Nerevarine's actions are made irrelevant by the book for example. Other factors are that 'post' Morrowind and esp when Oblivion came out the dev's decisions there made it clear that the Nerevarine had completed his tasks and was out of the picture. The background for this was that people who played Morrowind were being given no opportunity in Oblivion or otherwise to further their specific character decisions. Basically past Morrowind (+expansions) he devs reclaimed total control of 'history'.

In-game Vivec made it clear, assuming you trust his word and if you allied with him, that he was severely weakened anyways so your actions would not actually harm him any more than the inevitable consequences of your refusal to fulfill the prophesy. he expressed a hope that he and the Tribunal would continue to be venerated as 'Saints' once all was said and done. However the question then arises would that have been enough to maintain the moon?

Regarding a cathartic episode - that may well be so - but it seems not directly on account of the Nerevarine. It may be that the people were disgusted by Vivec's treatment of Azura, whom many venerate, in The Trial for example ... and there is plenty of room for further actions on Vivec's part before his 'disappearance'.

Another factor might be that the Dissident priests took a hand ... and of course ... Helseth!

I agree
at least, the Loveletter seems to portray the results of Landfall, or at least its effects on the Dunmer, as ultimately positive.
The Dunmer have learned Love.
Now, the Dunmer just have to go back to being Chimer, just to drive home the whole creation/destruction thingy

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had a thought on the Dunmer diaspora just now -- as the other posters in this thread have stated, the Dunmer people will go on even if Morrowind has been destroyed. I can picture a priest telling his fellow Dunmer as they sail to Solstheim that "The Kingdom of Morrowind is within you."

OWNED??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Well, well, just what I hope to know is:

• What the Dunmer will do Solstheim?
  
• What the Argonian will do in Morrowind?
  
• What Nerevar is doing now?
  
• The Dunmer culture will end?

Judging from the novel and the discussions around here, I'd guess:
1. The Dunmer refugees will build new lives in Solstheim and maybe mainland Skyrim as well. They'll probably live as humble pioneers for the first several generations at least. MK seems to hint that the Nords will be good hosts to the Dunmer.

2. The novel indicates that the Argonians don't attempt to live in the worst part of the ruins (especially the crater where Vivec City used to be). There are a few Argonian settlements in the south of Morrowind apparently, by the time Umbriel flies over Argonia and Morrowind, turning everyone on the ground below into an undead horde. We don't know yet how wide the radius of this effect is, though.

3. I don't think we'll ever know what happened to the Nerevarine. This trope is called "dropping a bridge" on a character, to get him out of the picture. Myself, I hope he's still alive and exploring Akavir. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DroppedABridgeOnHim
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus


4. The Dunmer will go on, though I don't know how much of their culture they will be able to preserve while living in the North. Probably they'll go back to ancestor worship and the "Good Daedra" more.

Vivec hinted at that much at the end of Morrowind's MQ, with the whole restructuring of the Temple. The Temple had probably already changed a lot and reverted to older ways before Landfall ever happened. We know from the Loveletter that they keep the banner of Vivec, and the Great House system although apparently with new Houses, and the leader of the Dunmer is referred to by the title Alma.

And with the Nerevarine and Vivec both out of the picture now, the ordinary Dunmer will never know the truth of what happened to the Tribunal. It's probably better that way; the ordinary believers will think of the Tribunal as saints now, not knowing that Almalexia grew desperate and insane, murdered Sotha Sil and tried to kill the Nerevarine. Let the people have their comforting illusions.

(I hope some netches and other species survive. It would be pretty awful if Morrowind's unique wildlife were wiped out completely -- like killing all of Australia's wildlife.)

well, Vivec said he would be remembered the longest of the three in the sermons, maybe a monotheistic cult of Vivec will rise from the Temple's ashes? That would be interesting to see, especially considering how polytheistic societies tend to react to strange monotheistic cults.

Where did MK hint at that? Sauce.