Post # 61 of the following thread: http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1059001&hl=largesse&st=60

syronj, thank you.

I also wanted to know what will happen to Vvardenfell from now on...

But it is exactly Vvardenfell, not Morrowind.

I think many of the Dunmer may scatter like the Jews did at one point in time.

Of course we don't actually know how much of the continent is left. I assume the ministry blew up Vvardenfell and the northern mainland. The eruption of Red Mountain probably finished the job to a good extent. The Argonians probably hurt the south.

I assume it is possible for Blacklight to still be around after all this.

Maybe by the time of TES V, life will have started to return to Morrowind the way the Mount St Helens area is slowly reseeding itself. It could be ground zero (the crater lake where Vivec City used to be) will remain a wasteland, though, since the novel says the water there is still boiling 40 years later.

It's likely, TESV may be taking place 200 years in the future. I wonder why though? If the next game is set in Skyrim, why the time jump? Looks like we'll have to wait for book two.

A lot is riding on Keyes' second book. Maybe Skyrim is going to produce a man or woman of destiny in the next game, and Bethesda had to jump ahead in time to provide the conditions for his or her birth. A Nord/Dunmer hybrid, for example.

This new Tiber Septim should not be the player character, in my opinion. Nor should Bethesda repeat the plot of "Oblivion", with the player following a "Martin" around. It will be interesting to see how Bethesda handles this. This is all just speculation, of course.

I'm pretty sure "the new Tiber Septim" is either Titus or Attrebus. They're moving away from the whole dragon blood thing. New era, new Empire. Maybe the new Empire doesn't rely as much on mythical powers and Aedric pacts to function. The turn of an Era usually means a fundamental shift in the reality of the world. The plot of the next game would logically not revolve around an Era turning event unless the Fourth Era is very short indeed. The Septim Dynasty lasted for 433 years. The First Empire of Men, if you count it from the time Alessia was crowned Empress to the time Reman III was assassinated lasted for almost 2,000 years!

It seems far more likely, based on this knowledge, that the major plot line of the next game will revolve around something far reaching and sinister but not necessarily era changing. There's a lot of talk in Infernal City about the Aldmeri Dominion and similar agents working to undo the Mede dynasty. Perhaps that's our villain.

I think this:

The surviving dunmer flee to Raven Rock in Solsteim. The Nerevarine travels to oblivion and save Vivec. After that he travels to Skyrim and made an alliance with the nords and orcs and after a few years they atack the argonian on Morrowind an drive them to their homeland, were Nerevars army destroys Black Marsh. Then he attacks the Empire and they will be reign over Tamriel.

:)

no

Fan-fic time for you.

*a Crusader of Arkay kicks the door in, wearing heavy armor and wielding a fine ebony mace*

"I smell the foul taint of Necromancy..." he whispers with an evil look in his eye...

You're in the wrong place, crusader. There is more foul necromancy elsewhere.

Egads! It's RAMPANT!

*uses crystal ball to call for backup*

You know what I think?
You don't want to know what I think.
Here it is, anyway:

The Aldmeri Dominion will make an alliance with the anti-Mane, southern states of Elsweyr. It's a Vichi France-like occupation. The Thalmor will have access to the mouth of the Niben, and they'll pocket Bravil and Skingrad. Then you've got Argonia, which is completely quiet. Nobody knows what's happening there, nobody really cares, and nobody has the guts to find out. Their gov.'s structure (if you can call it that) has been a complete mystery to outsiders. The whole 'kingdom' thing was for the sake of the readers' tiny brain. Telvanni survivors muck a living amongst themselves as dust merchants, oblivious to the outside and totaly content. They only prize their wizards - not the Temple, and certainly not a king - so the destruction of their homeland never phased them. Solstheim is a non entity, at this point. Yeah, the dunmer fled there, and yes, we're all wondering, with our thumbs up our proverbial asses, what's going on, but the New North comes much later.

Finally, Cyrodiil, or what was known as Cyrodiil. This place is an abject wate of breath to talk about, but I'll suffer through it. The West formed an empire called the Strident League - named after the toothpaste - which is basically the Peloponnesian League, except not. Their enemy should be quite obvious. So far, the Thalmor has cooly disengaged from all confrontation, making the colovians quite edgey. The Thalmor thinks they can split the League, if they let the tyrants squable amongst themselves. The real war between the Man and Mer, is still an imagined one. East Cyrodiil is completely fractured. The Medes (the butt of many jokes) are warlords, and the Great Houses of Cyrodiil are like "[censored] off," but they're far too involved in being tribal to see the sense in fighting the elves. Speaking of which, the dunmer, who weren't Telvanni and who didn't go to Solstheim, have occupied the Velothi mountains and live like orc barbarians (hahaha). And Orsinium? They're waiting. Probably for their chance to join the Thalmor, but if they see an oppertunity to rescue the Strident League, they'll take it, and then oppress them heavily.

Remember the Thalmor's policy of evading the armies of attrition? Well, that isn't so in the Illiac states, cloak-and-dagger capitol of the world. It's like a cornucopia of spies and assassins. Hammerfell and High Rock don't exist anymore, by the way, those names went out with the third era. Ah, 'Skyrim.' It's humongous, now. An Empire. The Cyrodiils expect them to rescue their sorry butts, like last time. They'll be in for a surprise. Why should Skyrim help the southerners, when they didn't learn their lesson? They betrayed the legacy of Talos, unworthy heirs. Never will they answer their pleads again. That covers the largest powers. The Penitus Oculatus isn't a pawn of the Medes, they're pathfinder force from another dimension (nothing to do with Akavir), only using the Medes as a cover story. Their secret will never be revealed, it's just a temporary backstory, as good as the truth. The Sload still send merchants and necromancers about Tamriel. The God of Worms reigns strong, in the waters of the Coral Kingdoms, though he may not in Tamriel. The Maormer are complete isolationists (to the chagrin of the Altmer, who desire their participation, but can't forget old heresies), and Akavir is not involved, aside from the obvious "farming the psyche of man" thing they did with Remen, and so too subsequent, Talosian orthodoxy, through the Blades.

That's all I've got.

I definitely think the Thalmor and Aldmeri Dominion will play a big role in future events. Otherwise Keyes wouldn't have mentioned them in his book.

Although I think your imagination is probably a little more vivid and out there than the actual direction the story is gonna head in.

I think my explaination was vivid. I think the rest is a good guess. That whole Elsweyr/Aldmeri Dominion alliance happened in the Common Era. Skyrim's disdain for the Cyrodiils is understandable. Argonia's already retreating back into the marshes, though I understand they've taken land which belonged to them. The House Telvanni quite possibly mayhave survived. Dunmer are falling back into Cheydihal. The rest is draged from loose interpretations of the pocket guides, traditional rivalries, and my nether regions. All in all, a good guess.

High Rock and Daggerfall most likely fractured back into squabbling city states, easy pickings for eager conquerors. So far, it's been Skyrim that has been taking advantage of this.

Currently, it looks like Skyrim and the Aldmeri Dominion look to be the most powerful forces out there, and Cyrodiil is desperately trying to be a super power once again. I could see Skyrim finally being sick of Cyrodiil's watered down religion and current weakness. Until Cyrodiil shows back bone, and more favor to Shor, Skyrim is going to stick to their thing with land grabbing and elf slaughtering.

I agree that Black Marsh isn't going to be doing more than it has already done. The argonians successfully seceded, and struck a devastating blow to their ancient enemy in their time of weakness. In addition, I also in agree with Telvanni, or at least a bunch of their mage-lords, unphased and mostly unaware (or uncaring) about the events, and Solstheim not being significant at this point.

From what I remember in the book, there is guerrilla warfare going on in Skingrad, and there seems to be no short supply of mer with anti-man attitudes going around.

Akivir is most likely remaining silent for pretty much ever, unless the Tigers did finally defeat the Snakes and is looking towards the west and take Tamriel as its prize. From what I remember somewhere, the snakes only had the advantage on sea, everywhere else they were fighting a costly war with the Tigers, who are determined to see that the Snakes are removed for good.

What stuck out most of all was your idea with the Penitus Oculatus. What gave you the idea they're a shadow organization for another group?

Well, I thought a "Secret Empire" from another plane, was a safe bet for them. Not that most are deliberate conspirators, but indoctrination and smoke-and-mirror has clouded their better judgement. Another entity has already or will hijack them, within the assumed 200 years between the book and the game. My guess is some missing avatar of Lorkhan.

If I'm right about them, I hope we never know I'm right or not, but we're just thrown a bone to knaw on. Something miniscule, that will make us wonder and have mine's-bigger-than-your's contests over.

If an avatar of Shor does appear, Skyrim would demand they be a part of his rule, and most likely a giant war with the mer.

Also, you have to remember, every time the avatar of Shor has appeared or done something, he was one of the least subtle entities going around.

Arctus was rather subtle. So was Hjalti. Talos turned an entire ecosystem on its head, history doesn't remember. There's also the Greedy Man, the other Nordic aspect of Lorkhan, who's very clever, for a villain.

Blah, you got me there, oh masked one who makes the moon fall. Hey, you're not too different from Vivec

Not really random. If you read one of Vivec's books, he writes about when he froze it. Nerevar said he should do something to get rid of it, but Vivec said he'd leave it as a symbol, that should the people ever forsake him, he'd remind them exactly how important he is.

So he pretty much left it there so if at any moment he wanted to, he could [censored] everybody up. If you played Morrowind's main quest, you should know that's not too surprising.

But then he died, and his magic was dispersed. So the two mages, Sul and Vohun, tried to keep it up, but failed.

1.) Why do I think Beth did it? Well, they're really changing everything. Nothing will be as it was in MW/OB in TES:V. No more Mages Guild, no more Blades, no more Septims, no more Empire we knew really. The Argonians messed up the Dunmer in Morrowind after the Ministry of Truth crashed. They did an awesome job of updating lore. I'll be so much more excited to see the new Empire and the new Tamriel once the new game comes out.

Personally, I also think they came up with the idea to destroy Vvardenfell, and Vvardenfell alone, as a sort of "[censored] you guys" directed at me and my fellow Morrowind obsixrs who think Morrowind is better than Oblivion and want everyone to know it. Now, the island Morrowind took place on... isn't really even a part of Tamriel, cuz it kinda got destroyed.

2.) As said above, I think it's awesome.

It made the elder scrolls storry interesting by letting the Ministry of Thruth fall on Vvardenfell.

It is like the fight of the fittest; only the strong survive and made the dunmer race mightier.

Made them mightier? I don't think so - The ensuing events of The Red Year have scattered the remains of the Dunmer race to Solstheim and Cheydinhal, Cyrodiil.

It was catastrophic.

We'll have to see. Like I said, avatar of Lorkhan's just one of the possabilities. They could - like the Blades - be the martyr, or witness:
Nirn (Female/Land/Freedom catalyst for birth-death of enantiomorph)/ Anu-Padomay (enantiomorph with requisite betrayal)/ ?* (Witnessing Shield-thane who goes blind or is maimed and thus solidifies the wave-form; blind/maimed = = final decision)

Or, they could be http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/remanada.shtml:
King Hrol (seeker/Healer of Kingdom), "from the lands beyond lost Twil". Twil as Twilight. Grey Maybe. Aurbis. His knights numbered "eighteen less one," the number of the Hurling Disk.

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Skyrim and Cyrodiil might yet be ruled by squabling kings, but a 'Hrol' - who conceived the identity of man, Reman Cyrodiil - could begin mankind's unification. And the half-cocked idea of an interdimensional, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Empire becomes less out-there.