Anyone else get really annoyed when you gain karma from enemies like feral ghouls or fiends?
I mean I go through the game attempting to get bad karma or atleast being neutral and then when I kill a few raiders it ends up upseting the balance and then suddenly I'm tr guardian if the wasted.
I kill fiends because they annoy me, not because I want good karma, I know they are evil and such but they are always going to be hostile so I see no reason to gain karma for simply killing an enemy.

I agree and why should you get karma for basically killing a junkie .

It does seem kind of unnecessary. It would make sense to gain karma for doing quests related to killing them, because people will know of your actions that way, but for just killing them doesn't make a lot of sense. They're just hostile enemies so you have to kill them. I'm still new to Fallout and not really sure what karma does for you either.

dumb

You only gain karma from killing Fiends and feral ghouls from stealth. Those ferals were living people, and putting them out of their misery quickly and painlessly is the "Right" thing to do, right?

Junkies are eeeeeeeeeevilllllllllll..... :whistling:

...I can kinda understand getting karma for killing ghouls, since imo, you're putting them out of their misery. But most of the time, getting karma just for defending yourself is a bit silly yes. Especially when karma has so little effect on gameplay.


Oh? I could swear i've seen that karma indicator when I wasn't in stealth. But sometimes the fights are such that I can't tell what message is for what kill etc...

They are hostile, I killed them because they were attacking me. I should not be granted good karma just for killing something.

nope, just last night I killed a feral trooper and it was spinting straight at me. So should I get bad karma for ferals I see but do not kill.

Fiends,Vipers,Jackels I don t understand how it makes sense to get good karma for killing people that would kill me.

Like I said dumb.......

It seems weird that you would gain karma for killing any human. Obsidian made it pretty clear that nobody is evil because morality is subjective.
Those Fiends that try to kill me for absolutely no reason aren't evil, they're "trying to survive" and "misguided." Just like the Legion is "honorable" and "pragmatic."
I shouldn't be getting Karma for killing them, or at the very least, they shouldn't attack characters with low karma.

For the Feral Trooper Ghouls, it makes sense to gain karma for putting them out of their misery, but I shouldn't gain karma for killing other feral ghouls. They are just like all of the other human-like monsters in the wasteland. I don't gain karma for killing a super mutant!

Yep, deeply.

Get rid of the karma system. The reputation system is way better and makes way more sense. Karma doesn't do anything, anyways. It's just for the roleplay, if you want to be evil, get evil karma and then you truly feel evil because the game calls you evil. And then for the ending slider.

If they keep the karma system for the next game, improve a lot on it and make it usefull ingame, and not to shift THAT drastically. Like I'm trying to be evil, I check my karma, I am evil - great. I go and kill some other evil people for an hour and I am a good person now? There is also a difference if you go to kill fiends just for the fun of it, or in self defence, or to save other people/revenge for good people that got murdered by them. Or for the money.

There could also be different speech options in dialogue trees for very evil and very good karma characters. And also some people that do not judge you after reputation, but rather your karma, sensing if there is something good or wrong with you.

Also, killing generic NPC's should not give you neither bad nor good karma. Killing a generic fiend or a feral ghoul shouldn't affect your karma, only killing innocent good people, like Sunny Smiles, or beasts who deserve it, like Cook-Cook. If we're gonna gain or loose karma from generic NPC's, then it should matter to ALL NPC's. Heck, even animals. Killing an innocent and cute little mole rat should give you -100 karma.

Karma: Do good things, good things happen. Do bad things bad things happen.

You kill a bad person (In Fallout ) you get good karma. It is just the way it works. Karma does not care if you are evil. If you do a good thing you are rewarded.

Well the deeper the better so i've heard . :whistling:

Not for my CL guy he wants NCR too suffer CL made them that way in the first place.

Like I said, its all dumb........

Karma does not care if you are evil. If you are a member of Caesars Legion or Followers of the Apocalypse. All Karma cares about is if you do good or bad things. Worst blood thirthy person is going to get a karma point for giving a few caps to charity. Karma sees killing feral ghouls as a good thing. Simple as that.

its because when your killing fiends and gouls your putting them out of their misery making that a good thing than having them suffer from drug abuse and radiation

I found this mod that takes it away, http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=37546. I think I'll use this when I start my next play through.

My two bits,

I don't mind killing as a way to improve Karma but it's rewarded WAY WAY WAAAAAAYYYYY too liberally.

The Fiends are bad, I get that.

However, Positive Karma should be only given if its a named NPC who is RIDICULOUSLY bad.

If I were to re-do New Vegas or make a mod, I'd make the reward for only the following NPCs:

Caesar
Cook-Cook
Motor-Runner
Vulpes
Legata Lanius
The Van Graff Brother

and that's IT.

I think it'd make it a lot more meaningful.

Karma often means you get rewarded in the end, I get no reward. The real thing that hacks me off I'd that it means I have to appea te opposite if the person I try to be. I have 4 characters all very good for the simple fact of that they killed some fiends. As many people said it is given out waaaayyy too liberaly.

I assume the only solution is that you have to steal a few coffee cups and magazines.

That does more than killing babies.

Yeah, exactly what I'm doing now. Shame my sneak skill Is so darn low