Galsiah's Character Development (GCD) Bug Report : III - Morrowind

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:18 am

Did you try reloading your game?

Yes, I did, and everything was perfectly fine. Though I hadn't tried to re-enact the situation which possibly triggered this nullification of cast chances, as my previous save was way back in the game.

Did you try going to a shrine or altar to restore your attributes?

Having Julan Ashlander Companion mod, I'd tried to restore attributes with his spell, which, as you correctly guessed, didn't work.

How's your Magicka level?

I didn't changed a bit. You see, all of my character's stats remained unchanged, yet cast chances became zero.

I did get over it, though. By uninstalling the game. I was too far in the game and too involved with my character to just abandon him and start a new one. For the time being I'll play some other games, and I'm sure that I eventually will return to Morrowind.

Thank you for replying, huskobar, and good luck with improving GCD!

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:15 pm

Any news on the GCD improvements?

Edit: Tried the new test play version a few posts above me. I started the game and everything was fine. I saved, left the game, and started again later. Just as the game finishes loading I get the sound of a MW error message, but nothing appears. Alt+Tabbing out and in allows me to start playing (but I didn't see an error message).

It happens every time. This is what the warning.txt says:

Expression Error: DIVIDEBYZERO in Gals__Attribute_ROI.
Set expression returned an error.

How do you post a load order again? It has been a while. I'm not using any GCD plugins or compatibility patches, just GCDWhitteUB.esp. I started a new game.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:38 am

First of all, thank you povuholo for testing!
Yeah, I've only gotten that error once myself, but it's a lousy one. IIRC, I THINK I've encountered it in the original GCD. At any rate, I won't panic about this test version yet - unless I get many reports of such errors.
What also worked for me was to uncheck GCD from the load list, load and save the savegame without it, then tick it again and reload. If anyone tries this, be careful. Don't overwrite your previous saves. And of course don't make any other changes to your other mods. When you start it with GCD re-ticked, it will readjust your stats. I didn't notice any big changes to mine, but you might want to pay attention to them just in case.
I don't know what brings this error on. I will keep monitoring it. For now, I'm just awaiting reports from anyone else testing this.

AFA load order, I also have completely drawn a blank; I hope I'm not going senile! - maybe MLox?

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:35 pm

AFA load order, I also have completely drawn a blank; I hope I'm not going senile! - maybe MLox?

Hmm yes that'll do. I'm sure people used to do it differently though.

Anyway I don't think the load order will be very helpful but we'll see.

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm_002_ Tribunal.esm_003_ Bloodmoon.esm_004_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm_005_ MW_Children_1_0.esm_006_ TR_Data.esm_007_ TR_Map1.esm_008_ TR_Map2.esm_009_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm_010_ GDR_MasterFile.esm_011_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm_012_ GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah].esp_013_ MW_CultOfTheClouds_v10.esp_014_ Hold it replacer.esp_015_ Divine Dominia Combined.esp_016_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP_017_ New Argonian Bodies - Clean.esp_018_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp_019_ DB_Attack_Mod.esp_020_ Hold it-COM addon.ESP_021_ Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.ESP_022_ Better Bodies.esp_023_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp_024_ EmmasDagonFel.esp_025_ EmmasTelMora1_0.esp_026_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp_027_ The Neverhalls.esp_028_ Creatures.esp_029_ Expanded Sounds.esp_030_ Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp_031_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp_032_ Lgnpc_SN.esp_033_ Graphic Herbalism.esp_034_ Museum of Artifacts Improved Expanded.esp_035_ Homes To Let.esp_036_ New Khajiit Bodies - Clean.esp_037_ frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp_038_ TheUberCrystalEggHunt.esp_039_ Graphic Herbalism TR.esp_040_ GH_ES1.3 Patch.esp_041_ CR Ore Replacer 1.0.esp_042_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp_043_ Westly_Presents_BB_Almalexia_Add_on.esp_044_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp_045_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp_046_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp_047_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp_048_ NEDE v1.2.esp_049_ UniqueFinery_NoRobe.esp_050_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp_051_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp_052_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp_053_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp_054_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp_055_ DN-GDRv1.esp_056_ wl_dockclutter.esp_057_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp_058_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp_059_ Scrolls and SoulGems 1.1.esp_060_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp_061_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp_062_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp_063_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp_064_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp_065_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp_066_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp_067_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp_068_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp_069_ Nudity Greeting Expansion V1.esp_070_ JAC_Jasmine.esp_071_ Blight Bounties.esp_072_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp_073_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp_074_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp_075_ Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp_076_ Hold it - SF npc addon.esp_077_ Atronach Expansion X.ESP_078_ Texture Fix -TR -1.0.esp_079_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp_080_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP_081_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP_082_ BTB - Alchemy.esp_083_ BTB - Equipment.esp_084_ The Imperial Legion Badge.esp_085_ Keyring.esp_086_ Particle Arrow Replacer.esp_087_ EmmasKhuul.esp_088_ NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP_089_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP_090_ MDP Compilation.ESP_091_ Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP_092_ BTB - Settings.esp_093_ Clean Welcome to the Arena!.esp_094_ RoHT CoM Addon.esp_095_ Keening_Reforged_v2.0.ESP_096_ AAG_StatusBars.esp_097_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp_098_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp_099_ Keening_Reforged_v2.0_GDR.ESP_100_ BTB - Spells+Spectacular Sorcery.esp_101_ Uvirith's Legacy CoM Add-on.esp_102_ UL_RoHT_1.4_Compatibility.esp_103_ UL_Primus_MWSE.esp_104_ UL_TLM_ambiance.esp_105_ TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp_106_ TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp_107_ TLM - Light Sources (Natural Water).esp_108_ TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp_109_ Mashed Lists.esp

The only issue I'm aware off is that I forgot to disable Piratelord's Trading Enhancements after installing BTB's balance mod.

Edit: Updated load order, should be all fine now as far as I know.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:55 am

..just found this, too.

You can do this in two manners.

1: You open your morrowind.ini in your Morrowind folder, and then copy and paste the mod list at the bottom of your morrowind.ini.

2: If you have Wrye Mash installed then go to the saves tab, click on a savegame(The last one made is best.) then on the right click with your right mouse button on the File header. In the context menu click on Copy list and then paste it in a post here.

Hope this helps.

Do I take it you have dumped GCD Lean in favor of Gluby's v1.08?
Load order shouldn't make a huge difference as GCD's scripts are pretty independent, though if you have something else that modifies stats there could be conflicts.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:07 pm

Hmm yes that'll do. I'm sure people used to do it differently though.

Anyway I don't think the load order will be very helpful but we'll see.

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm_002_ Tribunal.esm_003_ Bloodmoon.esm_004_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm_005_ MW_Children_1_0.esm_006_ TR_Data.esm_007_ TR_Map1.esm_008_ TR_Map2.esm_009_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm_010_ GDR_MasterFile.esm_011_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm_012_ GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah].esp_013_ MW_CultOfTheClouds_v10.esp_014_ Hold it replacer.esp_015_ Divine Dominia Combined.esp_016_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP_017_ New Argonian Bodies - Clean.esp_018_ Animated Morrowind 1.0.esp_019_ DB_Attack_Mod.esp_020_ Hold it-COM addon.ESP_021_ Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.ESP_022_ Better Bodies.esp_023_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp_024_ EmmasDagonFel.esp_025_ EmmasTelMora1_0.esp_026_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp_027_ The Neverhalls.esp_028_ Creatures.esp_029_ Expanded Sounds.esp_030_ Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp_031_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp_032_ Lgnpc_SN.esp_033_ Graphic Herbalism.esp_034_ Museum of Artifacts Improved Expanded.esp_035_ Homes To Let.esp_036_ New Khajiit Bodies - Clean.esp_037_ frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp_038_ TheUberCrystalEggHunt.esp_039_ Graphic Herbalism TR.esp_040_ GH_ES1.3 Patch.esp_041_ CR Ore Replacer 1.0.esp_042_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp_043_ Westly_Presents_BB_Almalexia_Add_on.esp_044_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp_045_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp_046_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp_047_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp_048_ NEDE v1.2.esp_049_ UniqueFinery_NoRobe.esp_050_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp_051_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp_052_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp_053_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp_054_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp_055_ DN-GDRv1.esp_056_ wl_dockclutter.esp_057_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp_058_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp_059_ Scrolls and SoulGems 1.1.esp_060_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp_061_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp_062_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp_063_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp_064_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp_065_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp_066_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp_067_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp_068_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp_069_ Nudity Greeting Expansion V1.esp_070_ JAC_Jasmine.esp_071_ Blight Bounties.esp_072_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp_073_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp_074_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esp_075_ Starfires NPC Additions ver-1.11.esp_076_ Hold it - SF npc addon.esp_077_ Atronach Expansion X.ESP_078_ Texture Fix -TR -1.0.esp_079_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp_080_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP_081_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP_082_ BTB - Alchemy.esp_083_ BTB - Equipment.esp_084_ The Imperial Legion Badge.esp_085_ Keyring.esp_086_ Particle Arrow Replacer.esp_087_ EmmasKhuul.esp_088_ NX9_Guard_LGTrib_patch.ESP_089_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP_090_ MDP Compilation.ESP_091_ Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP_092_ BTB - Settings.esp_093_ Clean Welcome to the Arena!.esp_094_ RoHT CoM Addon.esp_095_ Keening_Reforged_v2.0.ESP_096_ AAG_StatusBars.esp_097_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories.esp_098_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp_099_ Keening_Reforged_v2.0_GDR.ESP_100_ BTB - Spells+Spectacular Sorcery.esp_101_ Uvirith's Legacy CoM Add-on.esp_102_ UL_RoHT_1.4_Compatibility.esp_103_ UL_Primus_MWSE.esp_104_ UL_TLM_ambiance.esp_105_ TLM - Ambient Light + Fog Update.esp_106_ TLM - Light Sources (Clearer Lighting).esp_107_ TLM - Light Sources (Natural Water).esp_108_ TLM - Light Sources (Lanterns).esp_109_ Mashed Lists.esp

The only issue I'm aware off is that I forgot to disable Piratelord's Trading Enhancements after installing BTB's balance mod.

Edit: Updated load order, should be all fine now as far as I know.

Hi Povuhoho, I've been looking for a way to use GCD with BTB & If I understand your load order your using all of BTBs fixes & only GCD 1.8 with none of the optional GCD esps. How is it working out so far Thnx Beebee

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:59 am

Hi Povuhoho, I've been looking for a way to use GCD with BTB & If I understand your load order your using all of BTBs fixes & only GCD 1.8 with none of the optional GCD esps. How is it working out so far Thnx Beebee

I've switched to Gluby's/Azumite's fixed 1.08 version now. I'm not using all of BTBs tweaks though. I heard there was some sort of issue with GCD and the BTB - Character esp, so I'm not using that Character esp right now.

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:21 am

I've switched to Gluby's/Azumite's fixed 1.08 version now. I'm not using all of BTBs tweaks though. I heard there was some sort of issue with GCD and the BTB - Character esp, so I'm not using that Character esp right now.

I'm using Gluby's as well & thinking about either using BTBs Charactor esp instead of the GCD one or go over to bgBalancing. I loved his balancing mod for Oblivion & as BTB says anyone who uses more than one balancing mods is a dill anyway. It's probably also possible to add the GCD tweaks to one of the others as well to make them play better with GCD. What tool is the best for editing the innards of an uninstalled plugin? I'm really new at this & so far my attempts at comparing tnem have been less than sucessful. I would love a way to edit 2 plugins side by side like I can with text files in winMerge. My attempts at opening uninstalled plugins in the construction set have been less than sucessfull but maybe I'd better go back & read the Manual again :banghead: I do have a tendency to do that for quite a while before really getting down to it & reading the manual but perhaps its time Beebee

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:40 am

I'm still not sure whether there actually is a problem between my mod and GCD. On the outside, the two edit completely different things. But I really don't know enough about GCD to say whether or not there's potential for conflict with, say, the birthsign remover script.

I really wish I could figure this one out, though, because people keep asking me about it.

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:47 am

I'm cleaning out some files and would like to remove GCD Lean v2.02 from the Media Fire download site. If anyone is using this, is there any concern about doing so? I'm currently using v2.03 myself and, knock on wood, it seems to be treating me well so far.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dzzml2tykg1zz1y

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gp3flhh7ylb8eld

Has anyone noticed any issues in v2.03 that weren't present in v2.02? Thanks.

edit: v2.02 link removed

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:29 am

Where is Gluby's fix?

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:35 pm

Here ya go DWS, the link was somewhere on the third page of the thread:

Though I don't use QuickChar (I have been using SkipTutorial), I have not had any of the problems described with my version. It seems pretty stable. I have it up http://download210.mediafire.com/ztz0zhxavsgg/ylyn2fwmofz/GCD+v1.08+with+Startscript%2C+fixed+%5BGalsiah%5D.rar, if you'd like to try it. Again, basically all of AzuMite's fixes applied, except the vars occupying the 34th position are shifted to the end, rather than shifting all variables one position down, and all commenting retained.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:15 am

Thank you

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:56 am

So lets see if I understand correctly, I have to use the 1.08 patch for example, as a replacement for all the main esp's in the original GCD? So I can run only the GCD 1.08 esp and have all the features?

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:48 am

If you mean Gluby's "GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah]" yes. I don't think the original 1.08 is available anymore.

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:59 am

If you mean Gluby's "GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah]" yes. I don't think the original 1.08 is available anymore.

1.07c is just fine and complete.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1117777-relz-btbs-game-improvements-40/page__view__findpost__p__16483406

While there was a 1.08 patch, it wasn't at all important - the only changes it made were cosmetic. Specifically, it contained a hack to automatically restore the HUD when it disappears on level-up due to the initial hack to get the level change to show up on the character screen. However, given that the HUD-restoration hack involved the use of an invisible NPC and forcegreeting, there's more to go wrong. It's also out of my modding comfort-zone (i.e. scripting, scripting and scripting), so I'm less familiar with the sorts of things which might go wrong. I've had one or two reports of GCD supposedly making sneak-attacks impossible - as well as some dialogue weirdness. Maybe they were mistaken/unrelated-to-GCD, but it could be that something has gone a little wrong with the whole invisible-NPC hack.

While it was nice to finally find a way to fix the disappearing HUD issue, there's some evidence that the fix might sometimes cause trouble - there's certainly more to go wrong. Personally, I probably wouldn't use it. The temporarily-disappearing-HUD might be a little odd, but it's not going to cause any real problem. 1.08 is a cosmetic fix that may potentially cause real problems (even if it's pretty unlikely, and it shouldn't in theory). Unless disappearing HUDs annoy you immensely, you're probably better off without it.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:58 am

1.07c is just fine and complete.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1117777-relz-btbs-game-improvements-40/page__view__findpost__p__16483406

It is. I used it for years myself with no problems. I switched to Gluby's last year and also had no problems. It seems that some users (not me) had crashes and weird behavior with 1.07 and the fixed version addresses those issues. I wouldn't hesitate to use 1.07.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:34 am

So lets see if I understand correctly, I have to use the 1.08 patch for example, as a replacement for all the main esp's in the original GCD? So I can run only the GCD 1.08 esp and have all the features?

If you mean Gluby's "GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah]" yes. I don't think the original 1.08 is available anymore.

The way I understand it, if using Galsiah's version, the only extra esps that have been incorporated are the 1.08 patch and "GCD Startscript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp". The other main alternate esps like GCD better balanced birthsigns, restore potions fix, settings hard, etc have not been incorporated. Right? Of course the answer to your question would depend on your definition of "all the main esps" I guess.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:15 am

The way I understand it, if using Galsiah's version, the only extra esps that have been incorporated are the 1.08 patch and "GCD Startscript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp". The other main alternate esps like GCD better balanced birthsigns, restore potions fix, settings hard, etc have not been incorporated. Right? Of course the answer to your question would depend on your definition of "all the main esps" I guess.

Right, none of the basic .esp's include the optional files except that Gluby's version includes the Tr and BM startscript.

So, you can use Galsiah's original 1.07 plus the startscript or Gluby's 1.08 alone. In either case, the optional files have to be added separately. Note that the 1.07 optional files also work with Gluby's 1.08.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:11 pm

Thank you for the info. I think I am gonna just use version 1.08 and hope that nothing goes horribly wrong in my install.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:30 am

Hello people. I've been using GCD for a while now, but I wanna try vanilla leveling again. Is it possible to remove this mod without starting a new game, and for my character to still be able to level up normally after removing?

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:20 pm

Yes, but you'll have the GCD modified attributes. When you first load the save without GCD, you'll get a message that's meant for players converting a standard game to GCD. Just ignore it and you can continue with vanilla from then on. You could also switch to Madd leveler which is kinda half way to vanilla.

» Tue May 17, 2011 5:32 am

Yes, but you'll have the GCD modified attributes. When you first load the save without GCD, you'll get a message that's meant for players converting a standard game to GCD. Just ignore it and you can continue with vanilla from then on. You could also switch to Madd leveler which is kinda half way to vanilla.

Uhhm, GCD modified attributes? What exactly does that mean for my character

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:32 am

Well, when you start GCD, it modifies the normal attributes you would have in a vanilla game. Removing GCD won't change your stats, sorry for being unclear.

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:10 pm

Well, when you start GCD, it modifies the normal attributes you would have in a vanilla game. Removing GCD won't change your stats, sorry for being unclear.

Hmm, so is there no way to get the kind of stats that I could have had or something? A way to balance my stats out for vanilla leveling maybe?