Game crashes on save : IV

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:15 am

I've invested a 100 hours into my save and now, it begins to crash on save. I'm not sure what causes corrupt saves, and I would really like to get to the bottom of this problem.

Game crashes anytime I put about 5 minutes into the game and save. I use Streamsave to save my games, but the game still corrupts, including if I make a hard save.
Save size is about 11,000kb

Here's my load order

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 You Are Here.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.0]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1]
08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
0A Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0B Better Cities Resources.esm
0C Progress.esm [Version 2.2]
0D HorseCombatMaster.esm
0E UnnecessaryViolence.esm
0F Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
10 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
12 Better Cities .esp
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
17 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Fran Armor Add-on.esp
19 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
1A All Natural.esp [Version 1.0]
1B All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.0]
1C Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.7]
1D Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp [Version 0.7]
1E AmbientTownSounds.esp
1F MIS.esp
20 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
21 PCSoundBorrodin.esp [Version 2.6]
22 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.0]
23 WindowLightingSystem.esp
24 AmbientDungeons.esp [Version 1.3]
25 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
26 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
27 Crowded Cities 15.esp
28 Crowded Roads 23.esp
29 Display Stats.esp [Version 1.3.1]
2A DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
2B Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.2]
2C VipCxj_RadarSystem.esp
2D Streamline 3.1.esp
2E Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.0]
2F Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.1.1]
30 DLCHorseArmor.esp
31 DLCOrrery.esp
32 DLCVileLair.esp
33 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
34 DLCSpellTomes.esp
35 DLCThievesDen.esp
36 ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 0.9.9]
37 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
38 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
39 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3A FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3B Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
3C FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
3E OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3F FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
40 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
41 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
42 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
43 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
44 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
45 Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp
46 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
47 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
48 Scribe Supplies.esp
49 The Black Cat Jewelry Store - Daedric Statues.esp
4A VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
4B DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
4C BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp
4D DLCfrostcrag.esp
4E FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
4F Knights.esp
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
51 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
52 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
53 xulTheHeath.esp
54 XulEntiusGorge.esp
55 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
56 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
57 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
58 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
59 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
5A xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
5B xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
5C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
5D xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
5E xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
5F xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
60 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
61 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
62 xulPantherRiver.esp
63 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
64 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
65 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.6]
66 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
67 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
68 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
69 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
6A xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
6B FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
6C OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
6D xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
6E HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 2.0.1]
6F DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
70 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
71 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
72 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.2.0]
73 RealisticFatigue.esp
74 RealisticHealth.esp
75 RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
76 RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]
77 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]
78 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90]
79 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90]
7A MidasSpells.esp
7B Midas OscuroGems.esp
++ Midas Betterholy.esp
++ Midas Reduced Costs Half.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
7C FrostcragMidasLab.esp
++ Midas PowDur3x.esp
7D EnchantmentRestore.esp
++ EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
7E Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
7F Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.90]
80 ProgressRacial.esp
81 Toaster's Legendary Skills & Stats.esp [Version 3.44]
82 Toaster's Legendary Mastery.esp [Version 3.44]
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76]
83 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
84 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
85 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
86 bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
87 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
88 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
89 Better Cities Full.esp
8A Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
8B Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]
8C Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.8.1]
8D Better Imperial City.esp
8E Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
8F Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
90 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
91 Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
92 Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp
93 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
94 Visual Enchantments v1.0.esp
95 MiniMap.esp
96 UnnecessaryViolence.esp
97 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
98 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.0]
99 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

My most recent save game was bgIntegration, but I'm sure that that's not the culprit of this since I've had it for a while.

ideas?

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:45 am

1. If you're using Bashed Patch, always remember to rebuild it after installing or uninstalling any mod(s) that use ESM/ESP files, or changing your mod load order. The purpose of Bashed Patch is to resolve common mod conflicts, but not keeping it maintained to MATCH your mod list can actually CAUSE mod conflicts.

2. Back up your most recent savegame, then go to the Saves tab in Wrye Bash, right-click it and select Remove Bloat. This strips out null references left over from uninstalled mods. Some mods are very difficult (even impossible) to uninstall without leaving null refs behind. You may also want to right-click and select Repair Abomb as well while you're at it.

Try these......

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:08 am

No luck =(...

I checked for bloating, but Wrye Bash didn't detect any, and I always rebuild my patch whenever I add or remove a mod, it's just something I do...

I notice that I can't view the statistics of corrupt saves; all it does is give me this error message

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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Games\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 8730, in Execute
saveFile.load(SubProgress(progress,0,0.8))
File "C:\Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bosh.py", line 5677, in load
self.tempEffects = ins.read(size)
OverflowError: long int too large to convert to int

I also notice that the size of the file decreases, like from 11000kb to 9300kb. What in the world's going on with my saves :banghead:

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:28 am

How many saves in your saves folder? Do you overwrite saves? Can you start a new game, and save successfully?

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:30 am

I have about 44 saves including 15 streamsaves. I can save regularly if I start a new game. And I guess I do overwrite save files since that's how the streamsave feature is built, but I haven't been using the streamsave to save since the game crashing began.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:57 am

Bump? This problem isnt going to go away... :cryvaultboy:

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:14 am

Probably save corruption. Start working your way backwards thru your saves, till you find one that can save without crashing. No way to fix a corrupted save for oblivion unfortunately.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:03 am

I reverted back to a save about one hour before. Saving worked well; until about an hour in the problem reappears again...

Ugh sometimes this game makes me want to burn my copy of Oblivion... I sadly have no clue why my save acts up like this.

I had 5 previous play throughs and they all average out to about 90 hours before becoming unplayable due to save corruption.

Am I doing something wrong?

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:07 am

It looks like somewhere along the line your game got corrupted. This happened to me on an old save a while back. There really isn't anything that can be done except keep going through your saves and playing through em to find one before the corruption.
However, I am curious about one thing. Are any of your in game animations slowed at all? Are doors sticking or flame nods not burning correctly?
Also, did you clean your save of bloating through bash, or just checked it? I know cleaning it may cause corruption as well.

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:54 am

There's no sign of A-bomb damage. I checked (and cleared) my save file, which was only at 40%.

I used the remove bloat feature to clear up my save, but the corruption happened before I bothered the de-bloat.

*UGH* I pray to God that this problem won't arise in Skyrim... Maybe they'll polish the save system or something...

At this point I've given up on the thing. Is there anyway I can transfer or replicate my save info to another game? I've placed a little over 100 hours into the game but I feel that I've just started... :meh:

» Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:03 pm

In Streamline INI, turn off your streamsave slots...make just one. Make secure menu saves and turn off the sound bell feature. Reload a good save game and "Reinitialize with INI" in Streamline Menu Mode (CTRL+Home). :goodjob:

» Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:40 am

In Streamline INI, turn off your streamsave slots...make just one. Make secure menu saves and turn off the sound bell feature. Reload a good save game and "Reinitialize with INI" in Streamline Menu Mode (CTRL+Home). :goodjob:

Hmmm I'm not sure if I follow through. I think you mean to use the secure autosave feature in the streamline... I did edit the ini and reinitialize the game, but that doesn't seem to work :confused: