Game CTDs on startup with a Merged Patch : V

» Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:20 pm

I've read that it is a good idea to use a Merged Patch if using lots of mods, but if I add one, the game CTDs on the loading screen. That usually means a missing master, but I have no missing masters when checking with Wrye Bash. If I remove the Merged Patch the game loads fine. Guess I'm missing something here - does it have to be on a blocklist for some of the reproccer patches or something?

Here's the load order which crashes the game. This is with LOOT, but the game crashed when using BOSS as well (then I loaded the Merged Patch just above the Bashed Patch which I read was the correct load ordering of them). Anyone who has an idea what causes it?:

Active Mod Files:

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» Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:39 am

While it is usually a missing master, it can also be from choosing the wrong thing.

I have also noticed that you may not want to add in everything to the Merged/Bashed Patch. For example, in NV, with YUP, if I import the Graphics from that patch then the game will crash.

Worse comes to worse as long as the game loads without any patch. then you can add in the parts a group at at time to narrow down the offending part.

That being said, a Merged Patch does require some more care and thought and understanding of the intricacies of the mods you are merging. A Bashed Patch seems to be easier to get right, at least for me it is. Also, my Skyrim game was not stable (it would load, just not run for long) with a Merged Patch, but the Bashed Patch was just fine. I am sure I could have sussed out the Merged Patch, but the Bashed Patch worked and that is what I went with.

» Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:36 am

I'll experiment some more. I read http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/1335770-bashed-or-merged-patches-and-you/, which basically boils down to:

"Do I need a merged patch?

Yes!"

I use it when playing Fallout 3 w/o issues, but I must be missing something here when it comes to a Merged Patch and Skyrim.

EDIT: I though I had it. I checked Sharlikran's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciRPWx3OhBQ video and it turned out that you have to edit the Merged Patch after creating it, deleting Leveled Items and Leveled NPCs/Spells (my patch didn't have the latter two). But that didn't help.