Okay, to start off with, this thread is NOT about your opinions on how much you love/hate the Gamebryo and Havok engines. I know how I feel about them, you know how you feel about them, don't post it here. The point here is:
I've been hearing rumors that Skyrim may be using new engines. Some of the rumors state that gamesas may have gotten rid of either Gamebryo or Havok, or both. But I've also heard that these engines will be in place for Skyrim. Anyone got any ideas or news about this?

Brand new engine for Skyrim. Confirmed a while ago.

That is all.

they have made a new engine called the creation engine? i think they are using havok but a upgraded one?

fog is awesome. lighting is on par with most other games, draw distance is awesome. textures are weak, magic effects are awesome, no dx11 or cloth physics, snow is awesome

Wow, you have been out of the loop. It has been confirmed for awhile now that they are using a new engine.
Here is a tweet: http://twitter.com/nickbreckon/status/14015054991069184

Havok Behaviour
http://www.havok.com/index.php?page=havok-behavior

Why isn't this common knowledge already?

Skyrim is going to be used a completely different engine dubbed the Creation Engine. Ever wondered why it had such a long development time?

yeah, i've been out of the loop for a bit. so new engine, plus an updated havok. hmmmmm.

Straight from the mouth of Todd Howard:

"To do that this time, we knew, like before, we had to start over. We needed to reinvent large parts of the game and its technology. We started with the graphics renderer, and how we would bring the scale of snow covered mountains, dynamic weather systems, and massive dragons to life along with the small details of how people lived; from the forks they used, to the fish they caught, and the meat they cooked. We then rewrote all the major graphics and gameplay systems including lighting, shadows, level of detail, animation, interface, scripting, dialogue, quest systems, melee, magic, and more. All of those changes made it into our internal editor as well. So much had changed that we decided to call the engine and editor by a new name, the Creation Engine and the Creation Kit. We can't wait to see what all the brilliant mod makers do with these tools."

As far as animations are concerned, Bethesda is making use of Havok Behavior, which allows for much more realistic and believable animations that you see in the new official trailer.

Another thing to be aware of in regards to the Creation Engine is that all screen shots and even the trailer itself was fully rendered on the Xbox 360. Just think about how great Skyrim will look in its final build with high quality textures, AA, etc for PC.

I can't wait to see what the new engine can do!

No Havok Cloth, so probably no moving hair. Not really important, especially compared to gameplay concerns, but that would have been, as they say in Wales, well lush.

From http://www.elderscrolls.com/community/welcome-back-elder-scrolls/:

"To do that this time, we knew, like before, we had to start over. We needed to reinvent large parts of the game and its technology. We started with the graphics renderer, and how we would bring the scale of snow covered mountains, dynamic weather systems, and massive dragons to life along with the small details of how people lived; from the forks they used, to the fish they caught, and the meat they cooked. We then rewrote all the major graphics and gameplay systems including lighting, shadows, level of detail, animation, interface, scripting, dialogue, quest systems, melee, magic, and more. All of those changes made it into our internal editor as well. So much had changed that we decided to call the engine and editor by a new name, the Creation Engine and the Creation Kit. We can't wait to see what all the brilliant mod makers do with these tools." - Todd Howard

You might want to catch up a bit: http://www.gameinformer.com/p/esv.aspx
If you haven't already

That confuses me even more. It has been started from scratch, or from any basis (Gamebryo I guess)?