My game freezes if I enter any cell adjacent to Nenyond Twyl : IV

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:33 pm

I recently installed OOO and my game freezes if I enter any cell adjacent to Nenyond Twyll [2,0]. HELP!

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» Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:03 pm

I recently installed OOO and my game freezes if I enter any cell adjacent to Nenyond Twyll [2,0]. HELP!

Shouldn't be OOO in itself - at least, I've never heard of a similar issue. Might be a bad spawn. You can try waiting 4 days away from the problematic area and then return and see if it helps (as the cells have respawned then). BTW, did you wait for a respawn after adding OOO? That's recommended when adding mods that affect leveled lists etc. Basically, go to a secluded cell, such as the player home, make a save, add OOO (or other mod affecting lists, NPCs etc.), load the save, wait 4 days for a respawn and go from there.

Also, make sure you have the complete resources for OOO, i.e. 1.33 Complete plus 1.34 Beta 5. The same with MMM, make sure the bsa is renamed correctly, i.e. Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa

Your OOO/MMM load order looks OK, except:

4E Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Update to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1165282-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/page__view__findpost__p__17136377.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use. Use only:
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]

70 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] - Make sure you're using the standalone 3.0.1. release (I think it still says 3.0.0 so impossible to tell from the load order).

Also, if adding OOO to an ongoing game you should update NPC levels in the save with Wrye Bash.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:30 pm

Shouldn't be OOO in itself - at least, I've never heard of a similar issue. Might be a bad spawn. You can try waiting 4 days away from the problematic area and then return and see if it helps (as the cells have respawned then). BTW, did you wait for a respawn after adding OOO? That's recommended when adding mods that affect leveled lists etc. Basically, go to a secluded cell, such as the player home, make a save, add OOO (or other mod affecting lists, NPCs etc.), load the save, wait 4 days for a respawn and go from there.

I think I only waited 3 days. So I went to my player home and waited 4 more days.

Also, make sure you have the complete resources for OOO, i.e. 1.33 Complete plus 1.34 Beta 5. The same with MMM, make sure the bsa is renamed correctly, i.e. Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa

They are correct.

Your OOO/MMM load order looks OK, except:

4E Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Update to http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1165282-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/page__view__findpost__p__17136377.

Updated.

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use. Use only:
++ Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]

Can't believe I missed that.

70 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0] - Make sure you're using the standalone 3.0.1. release (I think it still says 3.0.0 so impossible to tell from the load order).

Somewhere I read to use the one from OOO. But that may have changed. I will load standalone 3.0.1 after OOO.

Also, if adding OOO to an ongoing game you should update NPC levels in the save with Wrye Bash.

Was done during install.
Thanks for these suggestions!

I went back and tried to enter cell [2,0] and CTDed. Tried again from a different direction and no problem. When I entered cell [2,1], the game froze!
Form TES4Edit the only conflicts to Nenyond Twyll are OOO, All Natural - Real Lights, UOP and MIS New sounds optional part.
Are there any other FCOM patches needed when running MMM and OOO?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:53 am

II went back and tried to enter cell [2,0] and CTDed. Tried again from a different direction and no problem. When I entered cell [2,1], the game froze!
Form TES4Edit the only conflicts to Nenyond Twyll are OOO, All Natural - Real Lights, UOP and MIS New sounds optional part.
Are there any other FCOM patches needed when running MMM and OOO?

Repost your updated load order. Also, are we talking about outdoor cells or interiors here? If it happens when trying to enter Nenyond Twyll or from one section of it to the next, try disabling autosave on wait/travel/rest first, if you haven't done that already.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:31 pm

My only experience with a freeze like this was when I used cBash to build my patch. I also found that what works well on most systems may not do the same on others.

The problem may be a spawn point triggered when you enter from that direction. Have you tried to COC to someplace in that cell and then try to go out?

I have played with OOO+MMM enough to think that is not the issue, most likely another mod.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:45 am

Have you been playing this character for quite a while?
In addition to fun problems such as Abomb, a less-well-known problem with Oblivion involves "nuking" of certain locations after a while. I don't think anyone knows for sure what causes it but it's more likely to happen if Autosave/Fastsave is used a lot, or if you save in the same position over and over again.

I've had a similar issue occur on past games - where I could not get to Culotte without a CTD. The most obvious sign of this would be if you deactivated all of your mods and STILL got the CTD.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:31 am

Repost your updated load order. Also, are we talking about outdoor cells or interiors here? If it happens when trying to enter Nenyond Twyll or from one section of it to the next, try disabling autosave on wait/travel/rest first, if you haven't done that already.

Disabled long ago.

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My only experience with a freeze like this was when I used cBash to build my patch. I also found that what works well on most systems may not do the same on others.

The problem may be a spawn point triggered when you enter from that direction. Have you tried to COC to someplace in that cell and then try to go out?

I have played with OOO+MMM enough to think that is not the issue, most likely another mod.

I'm using WB 287
I will try COC in/out. I waited 4 days in my safe house.
I agree, MMM+OOO has been tested heavely. Has to be something else.

Have you been playing this character for quite a while?
In addition to fun problems such as Abomb, a less-well-known problem with Oblivion involves "nuking" of certain locations after a while. I don't think anyone knows for sure what causes it but it's more likely to happen if Autosave/Fastsave is used a lot, or if you save in the same position over and over again.

I've had a similar issue occur on past games - where I could not get to Culotte without a CTD. The most obvious sign of this would be if you deactivated all of your mods and STILL got the CTD.

Yes. Competed the main quest and most of the guilds.
Yeah, looks like I will need to cut out the fluff and add them back, one at a time.
Also, I was running MMM for a long time before I recently added OOO. Most people do it the other way around.
I'm running with two companions (Viconia and Saerileth). Maybe I should have them wait in the house.

I really appreciate all your suggestions! Without this community, troubleshooting would be next to impossible.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:16 pm

Ahhh, companions. Yes, give it a try without them. Good idea.

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:54 am

Given BFG99s suggestion, I went into WB and disabled all mods and the patch. Loaded my save and tested. After loading I open console and enter: SDT 31
TDT
TG
Then exit console. I explored the cells which caused problems, but found no problems.

Then I loaded OOO 1.34b5 and tested again:
Starting from cell [0,-1]
+Oblivion.esm
+Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
+Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
+Encumbrance200.esp
Again I explored the cells which caused problems, but found none (no CTDs).

Then I loaded OOO and UOP and tested again:

Active Mod Files:		00  Oblivion.esm		01  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]		02  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]		03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]		04  Encumbrance200.esp		05  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Again, no CTDs.

Then I loaded OOO and UOP and MMM and tested again:

Active Mod Files:		00  Oblivion.esm		01  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]		02  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]		03  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]		04  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]		05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]		06  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]		07  Encumbrance200.esp		08  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

The contents checker returns:
LVLC
AMMLL3BanditBossLvl100Fran
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 005C1E
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 0065F0
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 0065F1
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 009C01
AMMLL3MarauderBossLvl100Fran
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006AE2
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006AE3
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006AE4
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 009C03
LL1NecromancerBoss100Fran
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006ADE
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006ADF
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 006AE0
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp: 009C07

Loaded my save and set console settings and heard a noise and did a 360 and CTDd.
Reloaded my save again and set console settings, walked a little ways and heard a sound from a creature like godzilla, then CTDd.
I'm probably missing something really simple...

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:46 pm

snip

Seems pretty much pinpointed to MMM for OOO then, unless there's something up with the Bashed Patch. Does it CTD if you skip the Bashed Patch as well?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:10 am

Seems pretty much pinpointed to MMM for OOO then, unless there's something up with the Bashed Patch. Does it CTD if you skip the Bashed Patch as well?

Yes. I opened WB and unchecked the patch, then exited and ran the obse loader. After doing the console settings, I heard godzilla. A few seconds later CTD.
Should I post it in the MMM thread?

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:14 pm

Yes. I opened WB and unchecked the patch, then exited and ran the obse loader. After doing the console settings, I heard godzilla. A few seconds later CTD.
Should I post it in the MMM thread?

Godzilla like sound? Weird. And you have tried waiting for a respawn so it shouldn't be a bad spawn. No idea what it might be really. Yes, post in the MMM thread with a link to this so the MMM gurus will see it.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:49 pm

Godzilla like sound? Weird. And you have tried waiting for a respawn so it shouldn't be a bad spawn. No idea what it might be really. Yes, post in the MMM thread with a link to this so the MMM gurus will see it.

"...sound?": It's a creature in the game, looks like a dinosoar. Seen coming out of OB gates.
I will. Thanks!

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:27 pm

"...sound?": It's a creature in the game, looks like a dinosoar. Seen coming out of OB gates.
I will. Thanks!

Aha, that would be a Clannfear Matriarch or Patriarch. And it crashes at the same time?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:47 am

Aha, that would be a Clannfear Matriarch or Patriarch. And it crashes at the same time?

CTDs right after hearing the cry. Which might indicate a bad spawn?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:54 am

A Godzilla like sound hmm? Couldn't that be a Rainbow Wyvern instead?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:41 am

A Godzilla like sound hmm? Couldn't that be a Rainbow Wyvern instead?

I guess it could be. I never see it. Why what if it was?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:46 am

I guess it could be. I never see it. Why what if it was?

While I would guess that Clannfear Matriarchs/Patriarchs and Rainbow Wyverns are on the same leveled lists and spawn points, if they're not that could be an important clue to your CTD.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:21 pm

While I would guess that Clannfear Matriarchs/Patriarchs and Rainbow Wyverns are on the same leveled lists and spawn points, if they're not that could be an important clue to your CTD.

Is there anything I can do to add strength to that theory? Testing?

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:57 am

Given BFG99s suggestion, I went into WB and disabled all mods and the patch. Loaded my save and tested. After loading I open console and enter: SDT 31
TDT
TG
Then exit console. I explored the cells which caused problems, but found no problems.

First Things Did you name your MMM.bsa correctly since using OOO now..Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa..

did you peform a reinstall since you added OOO. has OOO should be installed then MMM..

What type of Save you are talking about a pure vanilla save no mods loaded or a save that already had mods added to it.

If a vanilla save, you would have to wait for respawn timer length in order for changes to take effect usually

if a modded save, you would have to make a clean save. Which means once you loaded your save, you get the message, tell it okay, save at that point once again, exit, reload game and then reload that save. Have you tried this yet..

Has for those leveledlist that bash is reporting they are not used in MMMForOOO Config..They are for FCOM..

» Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:06 am

If the other suggestions don't produce results, take a look here: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1033875-tracking-down-a-corrupt-spawn-point/

This may not be your specific problem but the method may help you figure out what the problem is...

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:54 pm

First Things Did you name your MMM.bsa correctly since using OOO now..Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa..

Yes.

did you peform a reinstall since you added OOO. has OOO should be installed then MMM..

I don't think so.
Could you clarify the meaning of install?
Using WB, Since MMM is already after OOO in the installers tab. All I should need to do is uninstall MMM and reinstall MMM from the installers tab.
But given the previous order, I'm not sure anything will change. Anyway, I will do and report results.

What type of Save you are talking about a pure vanilla save no mods loaded or a save that already had mods added to it.

If a vanilla save, you would have to wait for respawn timer length in order for changes to take effect usually

if a modded save, you would have to make a clean save. Which means once you loaded your save, you get the message, tell it okay, save at that point once again, exit, reload game and then reload that save. Have you tried this yet..

Fully modded before disabling everything and re-enabling the mods listed for test. Prior to the save I had waited 4 days. But I'm not sure how disabling everything would effect the timer.

Has for those leveledlist that bash is reporting they are not used in MMMForOOO Config..They are for FCOM..

OK, I will ignore the contents checker output.

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:53 pm

That was it! The BSA threw me off as to why that would work.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions!

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:11 pm

[Resolved]That was it! The BSA threw me off as to why that would work.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions!

What was it?

» Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:27 pm

[Resolved]That was it! The BSA threw me off as to why that would work.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions!

What was it?

My quess would be 1 ) Most likely Speedyg forget to add the ' in the bsa name, or 2) did not have it named correctly in first place. but just guessing and glad the problem is solved for them. Once again it shows that MMM is not at fault, but, User error..