Game hangs on startup : IV

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:27 pm

Hi,

I know this forum is flooded with these types of threads which often lead to a very frustrating conclusion concerning an ignorant mod user, so I am going to try my hardest to refrain from doing that.

I have worked with modded Oblivion for years now and this is the first time I've had this problem, on the occasion where I've tried to make my best (CTD free) load order yet.

My game gets to the first loading screen then freezes. The bar goes to about 1/5 of the way then freezes, and nothing happens after that. I don't get any message Oblivion has crashed or anything like that. I have to use task manager (Windows 7) to shut it down. I've got Oblivion installed in C:/Oblivion directory to avoid the UAC error, as well as running as admin, OBSEv19b, and latest patch, etc. I've checked Wrye Bash for any missing masters and found nothing missing, and so I am led to believe that it might be an OBSE plugin that's crashing the game? Could this potentially be something which causes the game to hang on startup - maybe a missing or buggy OBSE plugin dll? I have installed (all from TESNexus):

Conscribe
CustomSpellIcons
Elys Universal Silent Voice
Fastexit2
OBGEv2
OblivionEAX
Pluggy
Elys-Uncapper
MenuQue
Stutter Remover
weOCPs

Tried deleting some of the more problematic ones, still didn't solve my issue. Before I tried out this load order I cleaned every single plugin using undelete + disable references and the delete identical to masters, having been informed that it was safe

. Could this be another potential cause of hanging?

Here's my load order, I think you'll find there are no stupid mistakes or errors but you never know! I'm using Wrye Bash 290, btw. I also took a look at all sorts of the logs and reports that are generated in the Data/root Oblivion folder and such, and found no reports of errors in any of them - they all SEEMED to be loading successfully.

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Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]C9  LandMagicPatch.espCA  Bashed Patch, 0.espCB  AN Scripts.esp

I've also tried regenerating Oblivion.ini, to no success.

Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Help would be REALLY appreciated!

Thanks for your time.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:39 pm

Do you mean that very first loading screen when you start the game? Between that Bethesda, Zenimax, whatever and Main menu with map of Cyrodiil?

HAve you tried waiting for few minutes? I also have a delay there. Loads up to ~1/5 then it stops until I hear some equipping sound and then it loads up to the end.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:26 am

Agreed, re: waiting a bit. For example, OBGE v2 is known (these days) for causing a significant pause, easily a minute or more... though I seem to remember that being early *in game*, so it might not be that after all.*

First of all, and certainly most importantly, have you read all the relevant readme files (and other advice that might be available), and made sure you've followed instructions (and possibly advice) to the letter, including with regards to prerequisites for installation?

Assuming you have, then atm I have no idea what's happening, sorry.

But I'll ponder it some more.

* edit: Oh, and if it is that, somehow, then simply delete ssao_perf.fx and ssao_test.fx from your Oblivion\Data\Shaders folder, and try using Ring_SSAO (perhaps) instead. Or whatever other appeals - if you want SSAO that is.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:24 pm

Agreed, re: waiting a bit. For example, OBGE v2 is known (these days) for causing a significant pause, easily a minute or more... though I seem to remember that being early *in game*, so it might not be that after all.*

First of all, and certainly most importantly, have you read all the relevant readme files (and other advice that might be available), and made sure you've followed instructions (and possibly advice) to the letter, including with regards to prerequisites for installation?

Assuming you have, then atm I have no idea what's happening, sorry.

But I'll ponder it some more.

* edit: Oh, and if it is that, somehow, then simply delete ssao_perf.fx and ssao_test.fx from your Oblivion\Data\Shaders folder, and try using Ring_SSAO (perhaps) instead. Or whatever other appeals - if you want SSAO that is.

Thanks for the help so far guys; in response I let the game load for 15 whole minutes, and the progress bar didn't increase at all. In fact I was sure it went DOWN at one point when I was staring at it

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Yeah, I read all the readme files and stuff like that, in fact most of these mods bar OBGEv2 I've used before, weirdly enough. I may have to do a complete reinstall, though I would very much like NOT to do that, of course!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:04 am

Thanks for the help so far guys; in response I let the game load for 15 whole minutes, and the progress bar didn't increase at all. In fact I was sure it went DOWN at one point when I was staring at it

.

Yeah, I read all the readme files and stuff like that, in fact most of these mods bar OBGEv2 I've used before, weirdly enough. I may have to do a complete reinstall, though I would very much like NOT to do that, of course!

Yeah, I've had similar problems. Usually turned out to be a newer version of a mod I installed that conflicted with another mod (where it never used to matter). Wyre Bash would not show me any issues. I just had to remove mods until I hit the one(s) that were causing a problem. I try to uninstall from the latest installed on backwards.

As just an example, I found that if I did not keep up with the latest Better Cities and Sensual Walks, one of the other would cause my game to hang exactly as you are showing. So, I got to the point that if I updated Sensual Walks, I'd go check and make sure I had the latest BC installed.

Note that the above is just an example. I'm sure that there are other mods that have the exact same, ummm, interdependencies (or, whatever).

Also, this is NOT a knock against the mods or their authors. I'm totally blown away that they can all work together at all. Bethesda should hire the lot of them : ) It's just something we have to deal with in order to play "my oblivion". I can't play without them : )

Anyway, see if you can uninstall whatever mod(s) you installed before you had the problem and see if you can find one that seems to be causing a problem. Of course, it won't be just that particular mod. It will be reacting against another mod (which may be a trifle bit more of a problem to find).

Or, it could all be handled by load order. I not sure if you said if you use BOSS or not. May want to try that if you do not (apologies if you said you did).

I'm not that great at knowing stuff like Psymon, etc., but it seems that Better Cities does like to be loaded all at the end. BOSS, for some reason, seems to put the empty BC esp up near the top. I always manually move it to the end (well, other than the bash patch). Not sure if it makes a difference or not. Like I said, I'm not an expert.

Good luck. With mods it seems the old saying "no pain, no gain" has some merit. Particularly when you start pushing the envelope for number of mods (such as myself and yourself). Of course, once you get it all working, it's worth all the pain and more.

Tarl

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:02 pm

Yeah, I've had similar problems. Usually turned out to be a newer version of a mod I installed that conflicted with another mod (where it never used to matter). Wyre Bash would not show me any issues. I just had to remove mods until I hit the one(s) that were causing a problem. I try to uninstall from the latest installed on backwards.

As just an example, I found that if I did not keep up with the latest Better Cities and Sensual Walks, one of the other would cause my game to hang exactly as you are showing. So, I got to the point that if I updated Sensual Walks, I'd go check and make sure I had the latest BC installed.

Note that the above is just an example. I'm sure that there are other mods that have the exact same, ummm, interdependencies (or, whatever).

Also, this is NOT a knock against the mods or their authors. I'm totally blown away that they can all work together at all. Bethesda should hire the lot of them : ) It's just something we have to deal with in order to play "my oblivion". I can't play without them : )

Anyway, see if you can uninstall whatever mod(s) you installed before you had the problem and see if you can find one that seems to be causing a problem. Of course, it won't be just that particular mod. It will be reacting against another mod (which may be a trifle bit more of a problem to find).

Or, it could all be handled by load order. I not sure if you said if you use BOSS or not. May want to try that if you do not (apologies if you said you did).

I'm not that great at knowing stuff like Psymon, etc., but it seems that Better Cities does like to be loaded all at the end. BOSS, for some reason, seems to put the empty BC esp up near the top. I always manually move it to the end (well, other than the bash patch). Not sure if it makes a difference or not. Like I said, I'm not an expert.

Good luck. With mods it seems the old saying "no pain, no gain" has some merit. Particularly when you start pushing the envelope for number of mods (such as myself and yourself). Of course, once you get it all working, it's worth all the pain and more.

Tarl

Yeah, I get where you're coming from, I feel the same way - and thanks for the advice. I did use BOSS - but I don't think the Better Cities esp is the problem - IIRC that esp is a dummy esp to force the game to load the Better Cities resources which are in BSA form, it doesn't actually do anything. That's if I'm correct.

The only flaw I can see in what you're saying is that I'm NOT SURE if a mod conflict or such can crash the game AT STARTUP - it might mess with things in game or screw your saved games - but preventing the main menu from loading? Not so sure it can happen - can someone clarify this? Maybe your old / my current problem is caused by a missing file critical to the mod or something - and that's why Oblivion won't load in the first place? I don't really know. I've kept nearly all the mods in my LO updated as far as I know, but yeah I'll triple check again.

Not a knock against the authors but it sometimes gets very tricky to keep track of mod versions. There are many mods which don't always get updated on TESNexus, and are available only in updated forms on other sites, as well as exclusive mods like Giskard's, and it just gets very difficult to maintain compatability and a working, up to date Load Order. This is obviously no fault at all of the modders, they do some truly outstanding work, there is no way to really solve this issue, except for the user being very vigilant with their modding efforts. It is highly rewarding getting a fully modded game out though. One issue I've seen which I might try out - there was a new version of Elsweyr recently (which Iliana has since hidden on Tesnexus?), which I updated to before she hid it - maybe that and the old version of Let There Be More Darkness, as well as the Bashed Patch I'm using are not getting along well, or something to that effect with some of my other mods!

Will report back with my findings. It's interesting as I see lots of CTD, poor performance etc threads on here but nothing really where the game just freezes.

Maybe my modded Oblivion is just so much better than vanilla Oblivion that it won't load because it thinks I'll think Bethesda did a poor job on Oblivion.

Heh, here's hoping.

EDIT: Heh, just noticed my sign up date was Chrismas last year. And now I've decided to post back here again with my new modded Oblivion it happens to also be Chrismas this year. Full circle, or what

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» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:11 am

Freezing during the initial load screen can be caused by a bashed patch that contains references to missing IDs. Easiest way to see if that's the problem is to rebuild the patch with your current load order.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:04 pm

Here's my load order, I think you'll find there are no stupid mistakes or errors but you never know! I'm using Wrye Bash 290, btw. I also took a look at all sorts of the logs and reports that are generated in the Data/root Oblivion folder and such, and found no reports of errors in any of them - they all SEEMED to be loading successfully.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0B  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0D  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]0E  CURP_Controller.esm0F  CM Partners.esm10  CustomSpellIcons.esm11  John's Leveled List Overhaul.esm12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 1.4.0]14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]15  Better Cities .esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1C  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1D  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]1E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]1F  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]++  Symphony of Violence.esp20  MIS Low Wind.esp21  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp22  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp23  Side's EAX Control.esp  [Version 1.0]24  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]25  WindowLightingSystem.esp26  AliveWaters.esp27  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]28  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]29  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]2A  FF_Real_Thirst.esp2B  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 1.0]2C  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.3]2D  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]2E  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]2F  DLCHorseArmor.esp30  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]31  DLCOrrery.esp32  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]33  DLCVileLair.esp34  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]35  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp36  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]37  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]38  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.02]39  DLCThievesDen.esp3A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]3B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]3C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]3D  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp3E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]42  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]43  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]44  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]45  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]++  John's Leveled List Overhaul for OOO.esp46  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]47  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]51  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp52  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp53  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp54  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp55  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp56  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]57  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp58  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]59  TheElderCouncil.esp5A  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp5B  thievery.esp5C  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]5D  TR_Stirk.esp5E  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]5F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp60  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]61  DLCFrostcrag.esp62  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp63  Knights.esp64  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]65  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]66  TOTF.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp67  The Lost Spires.esp68  The Lost Spires_delayer.esp  [Version 1.1]69  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]6A  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6B  Tamriel.esp6C  ElsweyrAnequina.esp6D  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.9]6E  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.0.1]6F  TWMP_Valenwood_Elsweyr.esp70  TWMP_Summerset.esp71  TWMP_Hammerfell.esp72  TWMP_HighRock.esp73  TWMP_Skyrim.esp74  TWMP_Morrowind.esp75  TWMP_BlackMarsh.esp76  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]77  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp78  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]79  xulTheHeath.esp7A  XulEntiusGorge.esp7B  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]7C  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]7D  TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]7E  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp7F  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]80  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]81  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]82  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp83  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]84  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]85  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]86  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]87  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]88  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp89  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]8A  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]8B  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp8C  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8D  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp8E  xulPantherRiver.esp8F  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]90  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]91  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]92  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]93  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]94  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp95  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp96  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]97  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]98  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]99  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp9A  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp9B  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp9C  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]9D  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9E  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A0  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A1  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]A2  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]A3  RealisticFatigue.espA4  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.4.1]A5  MrF - Spell Efficiency.espA6  MidasSpells.espA7  Vector.esp  [Version 0.3]A8  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]A9  StealthOverhaul.espAA  StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.1]AB  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 3.7]AC  Phitt's Phighting Phixes.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Thieves Den.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - The Elder Council.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - VH Bloodlines.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Elsweyr.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]AD  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]AE  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AF  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B0  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B1  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]B2  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]B3  bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp  [Version 10.0UV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]B4  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]B5  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]B6  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]B7  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]B8  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.4]B9  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]BA  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]BB  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 4.7.0]BC  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]BD  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]BE  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]BF  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]C0  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]C1  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C2  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]C3  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]C4  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]C5  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C6  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC7  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]C8  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]C9  LandMagicPatch.espCA  Bashed Patch, 0.espCB  AN Scripts.esp

It's hard to trouble shoot when starting out with that many mods. I always recommend installing FCOM incrementally, i.e. start a new game with just a patched vanilla game to see that it works, add the core of FCOM and check - and then add a couple of mods at a time while checking for stability/issues. In your case I'd revert to a core FCOM set up and go from there.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:36 pm

It's hard to trouble shoot when starting out with that many mods. I always recommend installing FCOM incrementally, i.e. start a new game with just a patched vanilla game to see that it works, add the core of FCOM and check - and then add a couple of mods at a time while checking for stability/issues. In your case I'd revert to a core FCOM set up and go from there.

Yeah, you're right, it probably would be good of me to go back to square one, and I'll probably end up doing that tonight if I can be bothered. I did however take a look at Arthmoor's advice, and tried launching the game with the bashed patch disabled - and it worked, it's a shame that the bashed patch is so essential to the function of a largely modded Oblivion. I tried doing several things to the Bashed Patch to see if they helped and they didn't, one of which included not allowing it to import Let There Be More Darkness. I figured maybe the LTBMD modders might have edited placeholder cells in v2 of Elsweyr or something which later got removed in v3 of Elsweyr, which may be causing the Bashed Patch to look for invalid cell IDs, but that was just a wild guess and I was totally wrong.

I'll keep playing with Bashed Patch settings for a bit, and if that's unsuccessful and noone comes up with other ideas, complete reinstall it is!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:00 pm

Hi all, I've had that problem. A bashed patch importing Actors.Spells from FCOM_Convergence.esp hangs the game on startup.
I can confirm the game loads fine without bashed patch loaded, or a bashed patch without Actors.Spells section--including everything but this one conflict.

Here is my load order

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Zedar.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0B  AGC-TARDISv5mstr.esm0C  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0D  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0E  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0F  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]10  BreakUndies.esm11  CURP_Controller.esm12  CM Partners.esm13  HorseCombatMaster.esm++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]15  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp16  DLCShiveringIsles.esp17  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp19  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1E  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp22  Echo_ChapelChant.esp23  MIS.esp24  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp25  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp26  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]27  WindowLightingSystem.esp28  AliveWaters.esp29  KF Chapel Shop.esp++  NoGuildmasterKick.esp2A  personality_idles4.esp2B  Zedar.esp2C  FormID Finder4.esp2D  Get Wet - just droplets.esp2E  Scathe.esp  [Version 0.1]2F  Streamline 3.1.esp30  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]31  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]32  AddMapMarkers.esp33  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]34  DLCHorseArmor.esp35  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  DLCOrrery.esp37  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]38  DLCVileLair.esp39  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3C  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3D  Merged Weapons2.esp3E  1SB_PureFantasyMage_Outfits.esp3F  Merged Weapons1.esp40  Merged Items 2.esp41  Asura_Sword.esp42  Merged Items 3.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp43  ctoesygbvdnsdr.esp44  carsomyrsword.esp45  Dancing Shadow Rose Break Undies.esp46  DarkIllusionArmor.esp47  HentaiEveriaArmor.esp48  HentaiSchoolGirlCollection.esp49  Hiyoko_Store.esp4A  [Hwii]Lancer_Dread.esp4B  Merged Items Kor.esp4C  EveryHentaiThing.esp4D  DkNCProjectBoot.esp4E  kNCProjectt.esp4F  Fallivion Hgec.esp50  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp51  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp52  SpeedBuster Collection.esp53  Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp54  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp55  DLCThievesDen.esp56  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]57  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  Francesco's No Reduced Backwards Running.esp58  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp5A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp5B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp5D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]60  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]61  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp  [Version 0.5]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]62  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]63  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp64  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]66  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]6C  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]6D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp6E  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp6F  Nightshade_Armor.esp70  KvatchAftermath.esp71  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]72  [Keias]Dungeon Of Chaos.esp73  AGC-TARDISv5plgn.esp74  Vaernlor Manor.esp75  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]76  DukeCity.esp77  Hentai Mania.esp++  FCOM_Hentai Mania.esp  [Version 0.8]78  ImperialCityHouse.esp79  Feudal Empire 300.esp7A  mystery of mausoleum.esp7B  Nascosto Isles 3.esp7C  Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood.esp++  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp7D  Romuska Fantasy Store.esp7E  rayearth.esp7F  ScarletMonastery.esp80  ShadowfangKeep.esp81  Steve - Thieves Guils HQ.esp  [Version 1.2-SF.]82  TempleofNirn.esp83  TheElderCouncil.esp84  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp85  Tona's_ModsStore.esp86  1SB_VampireHaven.esp87  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp88  WOTFH_1.3.esp89  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp8A  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp8B  24HrArenaAliveLow.esp8C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp8D  DLCFrostcrag.esp8E  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]8F  Knights.esp90  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp91  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]92  CybiadesDungeon.esp++  cybCrashFix.esp93  The Lost Spires.esp94  ShezriesTownsMaster.esp95  LostSpires+PellsGate Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]96  Mighty Umbra.esp97  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]98  Blood&Mud.esp99  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]9A  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.1.Non-COBL]9B  MannimarcoRevisited.esp9C  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]9D  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9E  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A0  ElsweyrAnequina.espA1  PTMudwater.espA2  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]A3  HentaiMania2.espA4  bartholm.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A5  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A6  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A7  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espA8  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]A9  SSS.espAA  Exceed.espAB  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.espAC  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espAD  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espAE  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espAF  talkwithyourhands PI4.espB0  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]B1  Merged Plugin.espB2  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]B3  UBW.espB4  XCExcalibur.espB5  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B6  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]B7  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]B8  MidasSpells.espB9  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs 3 Quarters.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas PowDur3x.esp++  Midas Eldrich Power 4x.esp++  Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.espBA  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp++  dyseso_Light_Ingred_Appar.espBB  addSHNPC.espBC  RenGuardOverhaul.espBD  kf.espBE  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espBF  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]C0  Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.espC1  Oblivion XP.espC2  AFK_Weye - Oblivion XP Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C3  sr_staff_skill.esp  [Version 0.40]++  OOO-Level_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]C4  SeductiveIdle.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]C5  Moonshadow Elves - Sc.espC6  IDKRRR_KFME4rev.espC7  IDKRRR_Moira_race.espC8  CM Partners.espC9  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  HentaiMania2_Merged_Hell.esp++  HM2SummonCompatible.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CA  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]++  Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.espCB  LifeDetect Shader HQ.espCC  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]CD  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:09 pm

Hi all, I've had that problem. A bashed patch importing Actors.Spells from FCOM_Convergence.esp hangs the game on startup.
I can confirm the game loads fine without bashed patch loaded, or a bashed patch without Actors.Spells section--including everything but this one conflict.

Hm. FCOM_Convergence.esp (the latest version of it, that I'm aware of) - with the assistance of the latest version of BOSS & masterlist - doesn't have that tag, by default, for me.

Not sure why there's a difference there. :shrug:

Unless *I'm* the one who's behind, wrt versions of FCOM/whatever (possible, I'll admit), you might want to check you have the latest stable versions of everything (e.g., MMM, FCOM, UFCOM, WarCry, Wrye Bash, BOSS, OBSE... and so on).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:58 pm

@Green Bear
the latest FCOM_Convergence.esp plugin is Version: 0.9.9Mb3. I have tagged it with:
Actors.ACBS
Actors.AIData
Actors.AIPackagesForceAdd
Actors.CombatStyle
Actors.DeathItem
Actors.Spells
Actors.SpellsForceAdd
Actors.Stats
Delev
Factions
Graphics
Invent
Names
Relations
Relev
Scripts
Stats

and it is working fine, no CTD's for me... :shrug:
Actors.Spells is also suggested by Boss Log by the way... I highly suspect something else gives you the CTD's...

There is also a FCOM_Convergence.esm but that has got different tags.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:01 am

Hm. FCOM_Convergence.esp (the latest version of it, that I'm aware of) - with the assistance of the latest version of BOSS & masterlist - doesn't have that tag, by default, for me.

Not sure why there's a difference there. :shrug:

Unless *I'm* the one who's behind, wrt versions of FCOM/whatever (possible, I'll admit), you might want to check you have the latest stable versions of everything (e.g., MMM, FCOM, UFCOM, WarCry, Wrye Bash, BOSS, OBSE... and so on).

I can confirm that preventing fcom_convergence.esp from loading into actors.spells prevents my hang on startup. No idea why and I'm pretty sure I'm using the latest version of UFCOM, along with everything else.

Latest version of BOSS + Masterlist gives the actors.spells tag to fcom_convergence.esp for me as well - as far as I know I'm using the UFCOM version. I will triple check I've got the correct one.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:31 am

Wow, okay. Seems I must be lagging, in terms of FCOMness or what have you.

Please disregard my previous musings then. I mean, my game works perfectly, sure, but it apparently is not composed of the latest good stuff. I'll go fix that then... assuming I manage to track down what's older than it should be. :tongue:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:01 pm

Hi all, I've had that problem. A bashed patch importing Actors.Spells from FCOM_Convergence.esp hangs the game on startup.
I can confirm the game loads fine without bashed patch loaded, or a bashed patch without Actors.Spells section--including everything but this one conflict.

Here is my load order

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Zedar.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0B  AGC-TARDISv5mstr.esm0C  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0D  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0E  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0F  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]10  BreakUndies.esm11  CURP_Controller.esm12  CM Partners.esm13  HorseCombatMaster.esm++  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3]15  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp16  DLCShiveringIsles.esp17  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp19  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1E  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp22  Echo_ChapelChant.esp23  MIS.esp24  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp25  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp26  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]27  WindowLightingSystem.esp28  AliveWaters.esp29  KF Chapel Shop.esp++  NoGuildmasterKick.esp2A  personality_idles4.esp2B  Zedar.esp2C  FormID Finder4.esp2D  Get Wet - just droplets.esp2E  Scathe.esp  [Version 0.1]2F  Streamline 3.1.esp30  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]31  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]32  AddMapMarkers.esp33  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]34  DLCHorseArmor.esp35  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  DLCOrrery.esp37  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]38  DLCVileLair.esp39  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3C  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3D  Merged Weapons2.esp3E  1SB_PureFantasyMage_Outfits.esp3F  Merged Weapons1.esp40  Merged Items 2.esp41  Asura_Sword.esp42  Merged Items 3.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp43  ctoesygbvdnsdr.esp44  carsomyrsword.esp45  Dancing Shadow Rose Break Undies.esp46  DarkIllusionArmor.esp47  HentaiEveriaArmor.esp48  HentaiSchoolGirlCollection.esp49  Hiyoko_Store.esp4A  [Hwii]Lancer_Dread.esp4B  Merged Items Kor.esp4C  EveryHentaiThing.esp4D  DkNCProjectBoot.esp4E  kNCProjectt.esp4F  Fallivion Hgec.esp50  Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp51  New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp52  SpeedBuster Collection.esp53  Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp54  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp55  DLCThievesDen.esp56  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]57  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  Francesco's No Reduced Backwards Running.esp58  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp5A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp5B  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp5D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]60  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]61  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp  [Version 0.5]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]62  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]63  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp64  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]66  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]6C  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]6D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp6E  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp6F  Nightshade_Armor.esp70  KvatchAftermath.esp71  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]72  [Keias]Dungeon Of Chaos.esp73  AGC-TARDISv5plgn.esp74  Vaernlor Manor.esp75  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - 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City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9E  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A0  ElsweyrAnequina.espA1  PTMudwater.espA2  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]A3  HentaiMania2.espA4  bartholm.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A5  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A6  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A7  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espA8  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]A9  SSS.espAA  Exceed.espAB  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.espAC  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espAD  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espAE  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espAF  talkwithyourhands PI4.espB0  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]B1  Merged Plugin.espB2  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]B3  UBW.espB4  XCExcalibur.espB5  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B6  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]B7  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]B8  MidasSpells.espB9  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs 3 Quarters.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - 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Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]CD  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I can confirm that preventing fcom_convergence.esp from loading into actors.spells prevents my hang on startup. No idea why and I'm pretty sure I'm using the latest version of UFCOM, along with everything else.

Latest version of BOSS + Masterlist gives the actors.spells tag to fcom_convergence.esp for me as well - as far as I know I'm using the UFCOM version. I will triple check I've got the correct one.

I've seen that reported before (perhaps it was Green Bear who reported it). Weird issue as it presumably works for almost everybody, as it should be reported more often if it didn't. Can it be a particular version of Wrye Bash or cbash or something? Works for me with 287 and 290.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:46 pm

If it's happening with CBash, people should probably stop using it as it's not even close to being ready to use on anything other than a testing setup. It still has too many bugs to fix, although it was getting really close up until whatever got done in the r768 commit broke it fairly badly.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:00 pm

Huh. Well, I discovered that it was becaise I'd gone back to Wrye Bash 2.87 - using that, with the latest BOSS + masterlist, many tags simply don't show up, that FCOM one included. Now, that could be nothing purely to do with Wrye Bash 2.87, I know. Interesting , though.

I'd gone back to that version, because 2.90 was prblematic for me. Now that I'm using 2.91, with no issues at all, all the right tags seem to be there. :shrug:

Not sure if it's relevant to anyone, but I thought it'd be worth posting, just in case. Of course, yeah, could be I'd somehow messed around with 2.87. But, as far as I can remember, that's not the case.

edit: And I haven't bothered even trying CBash since, well, the first version I tried, quite some time ago. Waiting, still.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:55 pm

Works for me with 287 and 290.

Definitely works for me too with Wrye v287, it's what I have. :shrug:

@Breton Paladin

Of course, yeah, could be I'd somehow messed around with 2.87.

Could it be that you (or WB by default) did not set it to "Automatic Boss tags pick up"?

[haegintwb]

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:07 pm

It could be and OBSE plugin.
Missing masters cause immediately CTD when you launch the executable (CTD even before the loading screen and the movies).

Try remove/rename/delete your Plugins folder in "Oblivion/Data/OBSE". Some mods can't work without plugins, but the game should "survive" (To be sure, you can disable every mod that use the plugins).
If the game run fine, then the problem is a plugin, or a mod that use plugins: remove them one by one to find the "troublemaker".
REMEMBER: if you remove an OBSE plugin, and the game run fine, the problem may not be the plugin itself, but a mod that use it.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:48 pm

Could it be that you (or WB by default) did not set it to "Automatic Boss tags pick up"?

Oh gosh... where the heck is that setting then? I can't seem to find it, though I am using 2.91 right now. Was it an option in 2.87, but not now?

Or is this something I should've known since whenever I started using Wrye Bash...? :blush:

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:32 am

Oh gosh... where the heck is that setting then?

Hehee

..... I know I've seen it in WB 287, but I'm at work now, will look later. IIRC it is when you open the long vertical list of tags, at the very top is a box to check. But not sure.

And I don't know if and where it is in WB 290 or 291.

Actually I have my WB tagging set to manual (non-automated). I like to ensure myself after a Boss run that all tags are there. Which is sometimes a bit confusing as sometimes mods come with default tags that are not mentioned/ suggested by Boss, and sometimes Boss suggests tags that the mod does not have by default...

The standard procedure in these ambiguous cases according to PacificMorrowind is to leave any default tags of the mod in place. If Boss does not mention a tag, it does NOT automatically mean that it need to be unchecked. However I will religiously apply any tag that Boss suggests if the mod is not tagged with it already.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:34 pm

Oh gosh... where the heck is that setting then? I can't seem to find it, though I am using 2.91 right now. Was it an option in 2.87, but not now?

Or is this something I should've known since whenever I started using Wrye Bash...? :blush:

As far as I know, it is automatic.

If you use WB v287 then you need to use BOSS v1.51 - the later versions of BOSS store the masterlist in a different location, which is not picked up by v287

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 3:06 am

As far as I know, it is automatic.

If you use WB v287 then you need to use BOSS v1.51 - the later versions of BOSS store the masterlist in a different location, which is not picked up by v287

Ah, I see. Thank you.

That does explain, well, everything actually.

Also, I just found that "Automatic" switch you were referring to, Tom. Couldn't even recall its existence before, because I've never taken it off automatic.

Well. Guess I should've remembered the big change with BOSS, and figured that out for myself. Ah well.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:43 pm

Guess I should've remembered the big change with BOSS, and figured that out for myself. Ah well.

Ah well, isn't this what you have forum friends for... :cookie:
:)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:39 pm

If it's happening with CBash, people should probably stop using it as it's not even close to being ready to use on anything other than a testing setup. It still has too many bugs to fix, although it was getting really close up until whatever got done in the r768 commit broke it fairly badly.

I've been using only a Wrye Bash. What is the CBASH? I don't know this. But I have been seen the Cbash at the Wyre Bash thread in the version history.

290 [15/10/2010] [PacificMorrowind]
? fix fatal typo in non-CBash Bashed Patch build introduced in 289 (reported by Tokc.D.K.)
? added Disable/Enable ini tweaks for Screenshots.

289 [14/10/2010] [myk002,PacificMorrowind,roxahris,valda68k]
? Bashed Patch:

? Fixed Reweigh Staff logger

? Fixed some missing gmstIds for non-CBash build of the tweak settings (gmst tweaker)
? Added CBash version of Import Actors: Spells
? optimizations/fixes applied to Import Actors: Spells (both CBash & non-CBash versions)
? Actors.Skeleton importer added

? skeleton removed from graphics import for creatures.

? NpcFacesForceFullImport tag added.

? Improved Nehrim Support (contributed by roxahris)

? A slight fix so that if the user has BOSS version 1.6 but hasn't created a masterlist yet it'll still work fine.

? 7z reverted to version 9.15 and then updated to version 9.17

? Unicode/ansi fatal installer errors fixed. (it still may copy slightly er funkified file names of some non-ASCII char files).

? DnD ordering in Installers fixed for Non-English installs (contributed by valda68k)

? Escaping of quotations in names export (contributed by valda68k)

? fix/improvement for oneInstanceChecker (contributed by myk002)

Actually , When I'd rebuild bashed patch with Import Actors: Spells , game does not loaded just hangs on startup. And, I'd tried rebuild bashed patch without Import Actors: Spells(only unchecked Import Actors: Spells), and I'd retried startup the game. then it's worked. I don't know why but I think there is some problem at the Import Actors: Spells. But I don't know. I'm not sure