Game Save Size Limitation : IV

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:15 pm

I have been playing this current Oblivion game for around 168 hours, with 450+ mods (lots of merges), and it has been stable. All best practices used. Great gaming rig with SSD. But then agin, my game is about to implode - and I think it is due to the fact that my current game size is around 18 MB...

I am getting the most annoying issue - game freezing. It can be triggered in a certain area (like Weatherleah), it can be triggered when a hostile NPC (like OOO vampires) casts a spell on self.

Testing a new character through the same areas, no freezing. So most of this is either due to something that sneaked into an earlier save game (corruption), or just a size limitaiton on saves after which they would implode (or run into other problems).

What are the sizes of your save games? How many hours have you played those. It would be best if we got some numbers from the longest played save games to get a feel for if save game size limit is a real issue.

PS: Is the large save game caused due to OBSE mods? Like BEAR, that keeps track of a million armors and weapons?

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:02 am

Any mod that allows you to "create" new items/objects in-game, such as random enchantments and other such things, will be storing those new objects in your saved game just like when you create new enchanted items, spells, or potions in the base game. It would have to be a huge lot of that going on to reach 18 MB, though.

My best-loved save currently has 453 hours played, and it's only 7.9 MB. The only overhaul I run is WAC, however - I don't know how OOO/FCOM setups affect save sizes.

You might want to try using Wrye Bash to "Rename Enchanted" and stuff like that just to pull up a list of what custom items are in your save, and use the Remove Bloat function to see if that brings down your save size any. You can also try waiting 3 days to let cells reset, dumping any mods you don't love, or making a clean save from any mods that will allow it without consequences to your character's progress.

I'm not sure there's a limit on save size, though. I know bigger saves mean longer loading screens, but I don't know that you'd encounter freezing, per se, unless there was indeed some corruption. See if you can find anything the problem areas have in common.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:05 am

I'm frankly not sure there is a limit to savegame size. For instance my latest savegames are currently 25 MB with 747 hours played. I do get the occasional random crash on cell change but I'm pretty sure everyone suffers from that. I did used to get a similar freezing problem and I think I tracked it down to a certain mod but I can't for the life of me remember which mod it is.

Here is my current load order:

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.34]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.1.3]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Fundament.esm  [Version ision]0D  CustomSpellIcons.esm0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]0F  UOPS Additional Changes.esp10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]12  USIPS Additional Changes.esp13  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]14  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp1B  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.34]1C  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.34]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]1D  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]1E  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Symphony of Violence.esp1F  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp20  Distant Chapel Bells.esp21  PCSoundRhett.esp  [Version 2.6]22  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Storms & Sound.esp24  Better Rainbows.esp25  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.34]26  WindowLightingSystem.esp27  1em_GiveAGift.esp  [Version 1.2]28  AliveWaters_nofish.esp29  Chapel Tithe.esp2A  Paladin.esp2B  PTFallingStars.esp2C  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2D  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]2E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]2F  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp30  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]31  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]32  Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp  [Version 3.2]33  FormID Finder4.esp34  kuerteeCleanUp.esp35  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp36  Musical Immersion 1.0.esp37  P1DmenuEscape.esp38  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]39  skycaptains NPCFF.esp3A  StatCleaner.esp3B  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]3C  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3D  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3E  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]3F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp40  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Mehrunes_mobs.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp41  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]42  Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp  [Version 1.0]43  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Armamentium female.esp44  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]++  Francesco's No Reduced Backwards Running.esp45  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]46  OCR+COBL Luggage Patch.esp47  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]48  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp49  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]4B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]4C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]4D  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]**  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]4E  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]51  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp++  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]52  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp53  EM_CompInnsleeping.esp  [Version 0.9]54  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp55  AleswellHomeQuest.esp56  AleswellCOBLaddon.esp57  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]58  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 2.0]59  EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp5A  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]**  Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp5B  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp5C  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.6]5D  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp5E  StopDarkBrotherhood.esp5F  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4.1]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp60  Valenwood Improved.esp61  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp**  Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood Vwalk.esp62  Valenwood Improved Vampire Hunting Patch.esp63  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.6]**  VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp++  Vampire Hunting Bloodlines Patch.esp64  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 3.0.5]**  Cyrodiil Travel Services Vwalk.esp65  za_bankmod.esp66  AFK_ICTempleCleanup.esp  [Version 1.0.LtPD]67  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.1]68  Knights.esp69  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]**  Knights Vwalk.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]6A  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]6B  Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  The Lost Spires.esp++  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]6D  ElsweyrAnequina.esp6E  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.2]**  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp6F  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp70  Elsweyr plantations & co..esp71  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp72  ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp73  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.3]74  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.9]75  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp76  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]**  Feldscar Vwalk.esp77  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Gottshaw Village Vwalk.esp78  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]79  PTMudwater.esp7A  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  Reedstand Vwalk.esp7B  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  Urasek Vwalk.esp7C  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]**  Vergayun Vwalk.esp7D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp7E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]7F  xulTheHeath.esp80  xulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]81  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp++  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp++  Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]82  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]83  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]**  xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp84  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]85  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.4]**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp86  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]87  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]88  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]89  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]8A  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]8B  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]8C  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat Vwalk.esp8D  xulPantherRiver.esp8E  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8F  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp90  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp91  TalosGatehouse + ULImperialIsle.esp92  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]93  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]94  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp95  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp96  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]97  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]98  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]**  xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp99  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.3]++  Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]9B  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9C  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]**  xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp9D  KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp  [Version 2.0]9E  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  Sutch Village Vwalk.esp++  LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9F  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 2.0]A0  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 4.1.1]A1  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 1.1.3]A2  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - OCR.esp  [Version 1.1.5]++  OCR + OOO Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  OCR+ULCH Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp++  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.4]++  OCR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  OCR+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]A3  Sounds of Cyrodiil - OC Reborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]A4  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A5  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]A6  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp++  L&G Billboards Scaled.esp++  GotNoClass.espA7  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  sixy Dark Seducer & Golden Saint Armour.espA8  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 2.0]A9  StarX Vampire Deaths.espAA  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]AB  Quest Award Leveling SI.espAC  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espAD  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espAE  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp++  Starx-OVB Patch.espAF  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]B0  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]B1  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]B2  MidasSpells.espB3  OC+Midas Magic Patch.espB4  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.espB5  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.espB6  Friendlier Summons.espB7  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.espB8  MigLockpicking.esp  [Version 1.7]B9  RenGuardOverhaul.espBA  CombatFPSOptimizer.esp++  All Natural Combat FPS Optimizer Updated Patch.espBB  kuerteeBattleFatigueAndInjuries.esp++  kuertee MMM OnLoadCS disabled hmf effects.espBC  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp  [Version 7.1]BD  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp  [Version 4]BE  Bundlement.esp  [Version ision]BF  nGCD.espC0  nGCD Oghma Infinium.espC1  SDR_Core.esp  [Version 4.4.1]C2  SDR_NPC Behavior.esp  [Version 4.4.1]++  Immediate Character Generation.espC3  SDR_Perks And Patches (Oblivion).esp  [Version 4.4.1]**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]C4  Useful Houses.esp  [Version 2.0]C5  Vanilla_Race_Overhaul.espC6  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]**  1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espC7  ViljainAleswell.esp  [Version 1.3]C8  ViljainRedRoseManor.esp  [Version 1.2]C9  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espCA  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CB  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CC  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]CD  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]CE  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]++  Disable Tutorial Text.espCF  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]++  kuertee bgMagicEVShader default drain effects.espD0  bgMagicLightningbolt.espD1  Companion Compatibility.esp**  Sensual Walks.esp**  Sensual Walks SI.esp**  Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp++  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.03]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.34]++  Storms & Sound - Filter Patch.espD2  Bashed Patch, 0.espD3  Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.espD4  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 5.9]D5  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 7.3.5]D6  Duke Patricks - Fortress of Fear.espD7  Duke Patricks - Combat Magic II.esp

Artorius.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:28 am

My current play-through stands at roughly 1,815 hours. (The game actually resets hours-played to zero at some point. This causes no harm.) Save sizes are 13,265 kB for the ESS and 51 kB for the OBSE. My load order would prolly be considered moderate:

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
02 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
03 TamRes.esm
04 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
05 CURP_Controller.esm
06 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.1]
07 UOPS Additional Changes.esp
08 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]
0B USIPS Additional Changes.esp
0C TamRes.esp
0D LoadingScreens.esp
++ oc_darker_nights.esp
++ realWaters.esp
0E Idle Dialogue.esp
0F Distant Chapel Bells.esp
10 OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
11 Rainbows.esp
12 WindowLightingSystem.esp
13 1em_GiveAGift.esp [Version 1.2]
14 CityLights - ImperialCity.esp
15 PTFallingStars.esp
16 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.2]
17 PTRoamingNPCs.esp
18 DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
19 Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp [Version 1.8]
1A Lock Bash Omega.esp [Version 1.5]
1B Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp [Version 1.0.0]
1C Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.0]
1D Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9]
1E Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
1F BlackLuster.esp
20 Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp
21 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
22 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
23 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
24 Harvest[Containers].esp
25 (DC) Kvatch Watch Towers.esp
26 Trade and Commerce.esp
27 300 Regal Imperial City 2.esp
28 delivery_job.esp [Version 1.2x]
29 EM_Packdonkeys.esp [Version 2.1]
2A exhSIPalacelodge.esp
2B ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
2C ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
2D Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.11]
2E KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
2F KvatchRising.esp
30 EiAmod.esp [Version 1.1]
++ EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
31 LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
32 LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
33 Mages Guild Quests.esp
34 Order of the Virtuous Blood Expanded v0.3.esp
35 Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
36 Skingrad Market 1.0.esp [Version 1.00]
37 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
38 TheElderCouncil.esp
39 TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
3A TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
3B (DC) The Pride of Wolfs Gate.esp
3C VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5.6]
3D VOILA.esp
3E VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp
3F za_bankmod.esp
40 BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp [Version 1.0.1]
41 Knights.esp
42 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]
43 The Lost Spires.esp
44 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.COBL]
45 Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
46 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
47 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.2]
48 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0.9]
49 Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
4A Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.13]
4B JDNT_Brina Cross.esp
4C Vergayun.esp [Version 2.0.2]
4D Villages1.1.esp [Version 1.1c]
4E xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3]
4F xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5]
50 Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
51 CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
52 SkingradMarket-LostCoast patch.esp
53 KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp [Version 1.1]
54 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.4]
55 EtInArkay-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
56 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
57 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8]
58 RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.4]
59 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
5A xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
5B KragenirsDeathQuest-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0]
5C NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0.1]
5D ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
5E ImpeREALForts+BrinaCross Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
5F ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
60 West Roads.esp
61 Castle_Seaview.esp
62 CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
63 bartholm.esp
64 bartholm - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
65 Fort Akatosh Redux.esp
66 FortAkatoshRedux-NewRoads&Bridges patch.esp
67 Legion Ranger Addon.esp
68 Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp
69 NRB4+RR Patch.esp [Version 2.1]
6A FightersGuildContracts.esp
6B BlackScreenSneakFix.esp
6C CUO_MerchantsGuild_SAFE.esp
6D CUO_MerchantUpdate_SAFE.esp
6E CUO_NewFactionDialog_SAFE.esp
6F HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.2.1]
70 DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
71 ExpandedGreetings.esp
72 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 3.0]
73 talkwithyourhands2.esp
74 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
75 Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
76 RealisticForceMedium.esp
77 RealisticMagicForceLow.esp
78 Active_Inventory_Spell_1.2.esp
79 Duplicate_Item_Spell.esp
7A RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]
7B Panzer_Kleidung_03.esp
7C WR Villages Addon.esp
7D Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 5.5.3]
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
7E 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
** NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
7F Bashed Patch, 0.esp

In addition, I run a goodly number of graphics improvement mods, mostly texture and/or mesh replacers, RAEVWD and the like.

I describe my Oblivion install as acceptably stable. I suffered a black-screen crash last night, my first in weeks.

-Decrepit-

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:28 pm

Wow that's a crazy time Decrepit!

My longest is a 200+ hour game with about 5 megs. I just ran MMM as an overhaul with about 120 more other mods. That LO was pretty stable. Occassional crash, but very rare. Wish I could say the same with my current LO and new game.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:21 pm

I'm sitting at just over 200 hours (~18 MB save files), and I've been getting that freezing screen bug for awhile now, along with frequent crashes. I'm fairly positive it's related to garbage left behind by old mods that have since been removed, though - if I try an existing save, the game crashes on exit, while a new game with the same mods exits cleanly.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:15 am

One reason I don't run mods like Armamentarium, BEAR or WEPON, as much as I like them, is that they tend to hang around in game memory for ever.
Also be careful if your an avid collector.
I was closing on 57MB toward the late stages of my best loved character. Hoarfrost Castle was crammed with mannequins and weapon displays. I owned at least one of everything I had found through a full FCOM install, so you can imagine what that entailed.
No serious crash issues, but the game would take almost 10 minutes to load, then would hang for ever on game exit.
Something else to be wary of is continually altering your mod list. I really strongly suggest you decide on your mods before you start a character, not adding, but only updating mods that you deem essential to your game.

edit - Oh yeah, hours played, see my signature.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:03 am

I agree. Six of my ongoing characters are between 400-600 hrs. apiece, with game sizes ranging from 8M to a maximum of 13M. I run Armamentarium and a few other smaller armour mods; houses and castles are allowed, but there is no collecting or mannequins allowed anymore, not since I saw game size shrink dramatically when I got rid of all the clutter. For most of these characters, in spite of changing mod lists somewhat over their lifetimes, the games load and exit normally without FastExit; the few where it doesn't I can only attribute to specific quest mods.

» Thu May 03, 2012 10:28 am

PS: Is the large save game caused due to OBSE mods? Like BEAR, that keeps track of a million armors and weapons?

Funny you should mention that, I'm researching ways to prevent that in the future :smile:

In the meantime, if you'd like, you can run the uninstall script, temporarily disable BEAR, then reenable it - that will completely reset BEAR and get rid of all the excess data.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:29 pm

One reason I don't run mods like Armamentarium, BEAR or WEPON, as much as I like them, is that they tend to hang around in game memory for ever.

To be fair, WEPON doesn't have any major impact on game file size--it doesn't even need OBSE, so doesn't have any arrays or anything. The current build of BEAR definitely does though.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:25 am

@Khettienna: That is good advice. I regularly check for bloat, and there has been no bloat in this game. I think this is partly due to the use for kuertee's Cleanup.

@Artorius: I am assuming you don't have the culprit mod in your LO anymore. If you recall, please let me know.

@Shikishima: Does Armamentarium really add to save game size? Is it because of the # of weapons it adds? Then wouldn't that be true for Bob's armory and others?

@BFG99: I will try and see if temporarily uninstalling BEAR reduces the game size.

@All:
I guess another mod that would add to the file save size would be ARES (I don't use it, but thought to bring it up). How about EE?

I am also trying to track what mods could be adding new items ("create" new items/objects in-game, such as random enchantments and other such things), so that I will try to clean save and reinstall them later. I will post my LO later, and would appreciate help in tracking down such mods.

Also, I use Duke Patrick's Fresh kills now alert the NPCs. That mod supposedly transports dead NPC bodies to a hidden cell after 6 hours. I am not sure if they ever get cleaned up that way... any thoughts?

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:15 pm

What are the sizes of your save games? How many hours have you played those. It would be best if we got some numbers from the longest played save games to get a feel for if save game size limit is a real issue.

As I just suggested in the EE thread, try the Abomb fix. Your scenario doesn't sound quite the same, but I've found that the Abomb can cause more than just the usual issues with fires not flickering right and doors taking minutes to open.

For the record, my favorite save is at 12.5 MB @ 301 hours.

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:18 pm

I started having freezing issues the last few days that sound similar to what you're describing. My current save of almost exactly 200 hrs is at 14MB. No issues with my newer characters. I tried the Abomb fix (as well as remove bloat, etc etc) even though I was only around 40%. I wouldn't swear that it's fixed but I have been able to add a couple hours to my save without major incident. We'll see.

I wonder if MMM's hunting and crafting would be a major contributor to save file size in my case? I craft (lots and lots of) arrows and armor with this particular character. Also, I'm thinking Trade and Commerce - I currently have about 4000 items in inventory to sell, because I set my sales chances very low. There's a very noticable freeze at midnight while the script runs through them all. I don't see why Armamentarium would contribute to save game size, other than for compulsive collectors?

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:09 am

To follow up, I deactivated BEAR (after console command to disable it first). Tried to see if that resolved the issue, but to no avail. Still freezing in game.

Was hoping that if I listed my mods, maybe someone can suggest as to which mods could be a culprit:
Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0B  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0C  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0D  Hemingweys Capes Improved.esm  [Version 3.0b]0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0F  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.1.8]10  BetterMusicSystem.esm11  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]12  CM Partners.esm13  CustomSpellIcons.esm14  HorseCombatMaster.esm15  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.2]16  The Arsenal.esm**  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Younger Hotter NPC's v1.0 Vwalk.esp17  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]**  UOPS Additional Changes.esp18  DLCShiveringIsles.esp19  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]1A  USIPS Additional Changes.esp**  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]1E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  LoadingScreens.esp**  LoadingScreensSI.esp21  Natural Selection.esp  [Version 1.0]22  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.34]23  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.34]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]24  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8]25  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp26  MIS Low Wind Merged.esp++  Diverse Voices.esp  [Version 0.1a]27  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]28  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp29  Environment Mods Merged.esp2A  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.34]2B  WindowLightingSystem.esp2C  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp2D  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp**  Cobl Bookjackets.esp2E  diversegrasses.esp2F  Happyhannah's Wines.esp  [Version 1.1]30  Paladin.esp31  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]32  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Crowded Roads Revisited Vwalk.esp33  Crowded Roads 5 percent Merged.esp34  NPC Merged Plugin.esp35  Choices and Consequences.esp36  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp  [Version 1.8]37  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.2]38  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]39  UI Mods Merged.esp3A  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]3B  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3C  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]3D  DLCHorseArmor.esp3E  DLCOrrery.esp**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp3F  DLCVileLair.esp40  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp41  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]42  New Items Merged.esp43  ClassyClothingCompendium.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FineWeapons.esp44  Obclothing.esp45  PTArtifacts.esp46  The Arsenal - Ancient Ayleid Weaponry.esp  [Version 1.1]**  mz_Shields.esp47  mz_Shields_SI.esp**  Armamentium female.esp48  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]49  DLCThievesDen.esp**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]4A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]4B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4C  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp4D  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4E  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]50  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]51  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]52  Hemingweys Capes Improved for FCOM.esp  [Version 3.0b]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]53  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]54  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]55  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  The Arsenal - Leveled Lists for OOO.esp56  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]58  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5B  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5C  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5D  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5E  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.90]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse RuneSkull OOO Loot.esp++  MMM More Spriggan and Ent Rain.esp++  ReteroX_BBEvilSkeletons.esp++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]5F  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]60  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp  [Version 2]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp**  FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp++  FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp++  DiverseDremoraFemales.esp  [Version amped]**  DiverseDremoraArmorFCOM.esp  [Version 0.95]61  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]62  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp63  Trade and Commerce.esp64  AleswellHomeQuest.esp65  AleswellCOBLaddon.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.1]66  Dwarven Mines.esp**  Dwarven Mines Vwalk.esp67  Fighters Guild Quests.esp68  FiveBlindMiceBeta.esp  [Version 1.3]69  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]**  Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp6A  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp6B  300_White Stallion 4.esp++  Kragenirs_WhiteStallion_Compat.esp6C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp6D  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp**  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp**  Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp6E  The Imperial Water - BETTER CITIES.esp6F  Ogramirad's Unmarked Campsites-UL edition.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: xulCloudtopMountains.esp70  QOTW Season One.esp71  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp72  TR_Stirk.esp**  TR_Stirk Vwalk.esp73  Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp74  VOILA.esp75  VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp76  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp77  DLCFrostcrag.esp78  AFK_Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2.COBL]**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp79  Knights.esp7A  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp7B  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]**  DLC_MOBS.esp7C  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]7D  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Cybiades Vwalk.esp7E  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp++  TOTF Delayer.esp7F  RTT.esp80  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]**  RTT Vwalk.esp81  The Lost Spires.esp**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp82  Mighty Umbra.esp83  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]84  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp85  The Mystery of the Dulan Cult.esp86  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.31.COBL]**  AFK_Weye Vwalk.esp87  House of Healing at Weye.esp**  House of Healing at Weye Vwalk.esp88  MannimarcoRevisited.esp89  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_Ruin.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsHorses.esp8A  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8B  ElsweyrAnequina.esp**  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp++  Elsweyr - Drinks Patch.esp8C  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.3]++  Fighters Guild Quests - Roads and Bridges Patch.esp++  Hemingweys Capes for NRB.esp  [Version 3.0b]8D  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]**  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp8E  SoC Addon Plugins Merged.esp8F  Better daedric shrines full.esp90  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.43]91  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.0]92  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp  [Version 1.0]93  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion_HOTD_Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]94  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.9]95  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp96  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]**  Feldscar Vwalk.esp97  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Gottshaw Village Vwalk.esp98  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]99  PTMudwater.esp9A  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  Reedstand Vwalk.esp9B  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  Urasek Vwalk.esp9C  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]**  Vergayun Vwalk.esp9D  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]9E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]9F  xulTheHeath.espA0  XulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]A1  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  Lost Spires UL Compatibility Merged Plugins.esp++  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.espA2  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]A3  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]**  xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.espA4  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]A5  Cybiades-Lost Coast patch.espA6  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.4]**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.espA7  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]A8  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]A9  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]AA  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]AB  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]AC  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]AD  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp++  AFK_Weye Arrius_Creek Patch.espAE  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.espAF  xulPantherRiver.espB0  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]B1  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.espB2  NakedNord.espB3  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.espB4  TalosGatehouse + ULImperialIsle.espB5  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]B6  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]B7  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.espB8  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espB9  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.espBA  Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.espBB  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.espBC  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.espBD  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]BE  xulCliffsOfAnvil.espBF  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]**  xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.espC0  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.3]C1  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]C2  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C3  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]**  xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp++  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.2]++  BetterDaedricShrinesFull-UniqueLandscapes patch.esp  [Version 2.0]C4  DwarvenMines-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.espC5  KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp  [Version 2.0]C6  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp**  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts Vwalk.espC7  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp++  ImpeREAL Forts + Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C8  West Roads.esp++  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion Kvatch Rebuilt West Roads Patch.espC9  BrinaCrossVillage.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  BrinaCrossVillage Vwalk.espCA  BrinaCrossVillage -- COBL.esp++  Brina Cross Village--Unique Forts Patch.espCB  bartholm.esp**  bartholm Vwalk.espCC  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.7]**  Frostcrag Village Vwalk.espCD  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  Sutch Village Vwalk.esp++  LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]CE  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]CF  betterArena.espD0  Better Dungeons.espD1  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3]++  Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp**  Leviathan Soul Gems Abridged.esp++  Less Food.esp++  QuiltsAndWoolBlankets.espD2  Storms & Sound - 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Alternative NPC Faces by LazyMonk.esp  [Version 1.00]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 1.0]**  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.esp++  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.espEB  Dialogs and Messages Merged.espEC  Game Tweaks Merged.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.espED  Game Tweaks Merged 2.espEE  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.7]EF  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.8]++  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.7]**  Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp++  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]**  Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 5.1.2]F0  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 5.0.0]**  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]**  Better Cities - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 4.9.8]F1  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 5.0.8]F2  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]**  Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp++  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.0]F3  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 5.0.0]F4  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]F5  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion BC Full.esp  [Version 1.0]F6  Universitum Arcanorum.esp**  Universitum Arcanorum Vwalk.esp**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp++  kuerteeEffectDrainShaderInitialGlowOnly.espF7  kuertee Merged Plugin.esp++  LifeDetectReduced.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp++  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.esp++  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Bashed Delayers - MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 3.1.29a]++  CoreRandmonClothing4Npcs.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Harvest Containers - SI.esp  [Version 0.99b]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.03]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.34]++  Storms & Sound - Filter Patch.espF8  Bashed Patch, 0.espF9  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.espFA  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp

Many of these mods are personal merges. I have had those for a while, and they haven't caused an issue as far as I know. Your input appreciated, as always

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:09 pm

May not help, but:

6F Ogramirad's Unmarked Campsites-UL edition.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: xulCloudtopMountains.esp

Try moving that below the UL mod where it belongs, rebuild your bashed patch, and see what happens.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:48 am

What are the sizes of your save games? How many hours have you played those.

6MB, 508 hours on 360

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:12 am

To follow up, I deactivated BEAR (after console command to disable it first).

There's no "crying" smiley available so
:swear:

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:36 am

I'm currently at 16.5MB with 442hrs. game has been Very stable, but Bruma is taunting me. I've had frezes before but don't remember the cause, (possible Windows programs(I Did have trouble with a Kodak Driver(but don't remember if it would crash or freze)))

I've had at least 3 games go bad (would load and crash soon after( earlier saves would only play maybe an hour)) that were all in the 400 hr. range, neverr figured out anything on them...

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:13 pm

May not help, but:

Try moving that below the UL mod where it belongs, rebuild your bashed patch, and see what happens.

Oh, that was a new addition last night, and BOSS was acting funky with it, so it was left as is. But yes, i will correct it. That said, that mod is not the culprit for sure.

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:41 am

There's no "crying" smiley available so
:swear:

Well, its just temporary, just to see if it lowers game size... Of course, waiting on the revised version of BEAR too :wink: