[Jessie Butterfield]

Maybe it's just me, but am I the only one here who REALLY loved those War Drums in Ep 9 of Season 2 on Stannis' ships?

[Cesar Gomez]

Well, he was the best swordsman in Westeros, but I agree once Jaime gets viewpoint chapters my opinion of him took a complete 180 in the books. I went from detesting him in GoT and SoS to him being one of my favorite characters in FFC.

[Ilona Neumann]

I don't like Brienne at all (I found her casting to be horrible), but I love the portrayal of Jaime in the series. I agree that the swordfight could've been much better.

[Tanya]

Are the Brazen Beast masks actual animal skins or just decorated metal/wood work?

[Lady Shocka]

I've always pictured them as wood/metal.

One that has always made me chuckle is that some of the Starks call Jaime "Kingslayer" in a demeaning or insulting fashion. It's like they forget Jaime slew the man who killed Rickard and Brandon.

[Ross]

In a sense, they're entitled to it to some extent, but at the same time, what Jaime did was wrong. Right no, they DID swear an oath to serve and protect their king. Aerys may have gone mad at the end of his life, but the Starks were always about duty, in their eyes, what good is a man who breaks his word? (Which is what seals a certain players fate in SoS)

[Kayla Oatney]

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Aerys,Wildfire,City,Death...Jaime did a good thing by putting his sword through him

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[Crystal Clarke]

The Starks (mainly Eddard) put honor above all else.

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To preserve the girls honor, he marries her as he sees it as his duty but he broke his own honor by doing so. Not like it mattered much, his cause was lost.

She was a pretty girl, but not a girl to lose a kingdom for

A good thing isn't always an honorable thing, especially when you're slaying the very man you're sworn to protect and die for above all else.

[dav]

I'm with Jaime on this one,You always break one or the other promise trying to fulfill another,It just depends which one matters more to you,He was knight first and a man of the Kings guard second.

[Dominic Vaughan]

No one is questioning the greater good of Jaime's actions, it just wasn't honourable. He still broke a vow. Did he make the 'good' choice? Yes, but he did the wrong thing by breaking his vow.

We're still talking about

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Robb

right? If so, Ned still married Catelyn, just for Brandon's sake, and it turned out alright in the end because they tried.


It's like the captain in Solitude says, "Just because you're an honourable man, doesn't make you a good one. The world would be a better place if it did." Or something to that affect.

[Travis]

He was a man of the Kings guard first and second. Chivalry is part of that.
Granted he was in a tough spot, kill your father or stop millions dying by killing a mad man.

[Dan Endacott]

Yeah him, only married because he robbed her of her maidenhead.
Ned married Catelyn as he was told to as part of a Stark/Tully alliance that his father was aiming to achieve. Ned carried that out as it was his duty and so did Catelyn, and like she says they got lucky and found love.

[Shirley BEltran]

I'd go with the second any day.
Ned who is considered honorable broke promises by joining the rebellion,every act of rebellion is treason,which breaks promises and takes away from honor.

[Alycia Leann grace]

Only if you've sworn fealty, which he hadn't (since he was made Lord of Winterfell right at the start of the rebellion), so by technicality he hadn't broken any promises when joining the rebellion.

[darnell waddington]

Maybe not his personal honor,but his house and Winterfell were sworn to the King.

[Kim Bradley]

You raise a fair point, but all Houses are sworn to serve The Kings Peace, IE peace in the Realm. In his beginning reign, Aerys ll was a fair king, but time went on and he descended into madness. Aerys wasn't keeping peace, he became a raving tyrant. The Kingsguard is to protect the King, not the realm. When a King isn't keeping the peace of the realm, I think at that point if a rebellion is with noble intent, then it may well be looked upon favourably. While Aerys ll being a tyrant is a part of the reason for the Rebellion, I think most of it, given Robert lead it, a lot of it was driven by Lyana (I think that was her name) being kidnapped by Rhaegar Targaryen.

[Emily abigail Villarreal]

It was caused by the actions Rhaegar (though he acted out of love), which got Robert up in arms, and fueled by Aerys murder of multiple Northmen. Rhaegar wouldn't have been a bad king, and Aerys would still be decent if not for Duskendale.

[Stacy Hope]

Rickard and Brandon were killed before the rebellion happened, in fact their death is part of the reason the rebellion was sparked. Ned's Honor was bound to his kin and his friends first. He hadn't sworn fealty to king Aerys.

The higher honor would be to try and save your kidnapped sister and avenge the wrongful (and cruel and gruesome) deaths of your brother and father.

[Alyesha Neufeld]

Yes so would the higher honor be preventing the Mad King from killing thousands with Wildfire...Which was the point I was trying to make.

[KiiSsez jdgaf Benzler]

True,But why is one oath broken bigger than another?

[Hussnein Amin]

It's because Jaime swore an oath to protect the life of his king, not just the king's peace, at all costs, including the cost of his own life. Ned made no such oath, and I think only the heads of the house have to pledge fealty to the king, so Ned had no oath to keep with Aerys, since at the time he wasn't in line to become Lord of winterfell.

That's why (publicly at least, more likely he just wanted to kill Robb if he took him up on the offer) Joffrey wanted Robb to pledge fealty to him, to end the war by making Robb recognize him as King.

Also, it's even hinted at through Jaime's viewpoint chapters, that he didn't kill Aerys for entirely honorable reasons. His family had a lot to gain from the death of Aerys and putting Robert on the throne. He even talks about half of what he does is for the benefit of Cersei, at least in the beginning.

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Cersei was spurned by Aerys when Tywin made the offer for her to marry Rhaegar, who ended up with Oberyn Martell's sister. Aerys also purposefully diminished the Lannister's power by accepting Jaime as a Kingsgaurd, thereby making him unable to inherit Casterly Rock and the western Lands from Tywin.

Helping his family gain more power within the seven kingdoms was a bigger motivation for Jaime to kill Aerys than a sense of honor in killing a mad man.

[Roddy]

He kept a weeding vow for his brother to save the honor of his house but not an oath sworn to the King?

[Donald Richards]

the wedding vow wasn't to save the honor of his house. It was so that the alliance between Riverrun and Winterfell would stay strong. He Honored the deal for his father mostly, but it wasn't to save his house's honor, it was to strengthen ties. Besides like I said he hadn't sworn an oath to the King. Rickard, as the head of the household, and Brandon as the next lord swore an oath of fealty. Ned had no need to swear an oath himself since at the time he was not head of the Starks, nor was he a soldier in the king's army.

Aerys had already called for the death's of Eddard and Robert before the rebellion even started. After he had killed both Eddard's brother and father unjustly and without trial. You could say that Aerys was the one who nullified the oath by unjustly murdering his family.

There is more honor in Usurping a throne because of completely unjust practices than there is in killing a king to establish more power for your home estate.

[Dalley hussain]

Nethertheless, I laughed at how she swiped negligently at him at the end. /lol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> I don't know, I find that fight more realistic than in the books. I don't care how good he is : he's been penned up for gods know how long, badly fed, no exercise at all, and he's bound. And Brienne, well, strewth. It has too a sort of narrative purpose : Jaime gets acceptable only when he cannot outfight other people.

[lilmissparty]

So... what do y'all think of (HUGE GIGANTIC WTFBBQSAUCE POTENTIAL SPOILS)

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Jon perhaps being the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna instead of Eddard (fire & ice = Jon).... it's a fairly common theory throughout the fanbase.