i downloaded MMM the other day and then i try to start oblivion, with MMM and related esps selected, the game just won't load. Screen goes black for a sec like its going to start, and then returns to desktop. However, when i deselect MMM the game loads fine. I have no idea what the problem is, any ideas?

my other mods are: OOO, deadly reflex, quest reward levelers (for vanilla and SI), short grass, and a keychain mod

Sounds like you're missing Mart's Monster Mod.esm, perhaps, or Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm?

OOO + MMM should load like this. From the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1105791-relzmartsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/:

Make Sure MMM.bsa is renamed to Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa has well

looking at my load list it seems im messing the OOO.esm. that confuses me. how can my game run OOO without the .esm?

Post your load order via OBMM or (preferably) via Wrye Bash.

ive been looking at it so much lately i can just type it out from memory, plus idk how to post it from OBMM =) :
oblivion.esm
horseCombatMaster.esm (don't use)
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
DLC Shivering ISles.esp
Unoffcial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Knights. esp
Mart's Monster Mod. esp
Living Economy.esp
Mart's for OOO.esp
OScruo's_oblivion_overhaul.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
short grass V3.esp
MMM optional esps
Deadly Reflex 5- Combat Moves.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp

Does that mean it is unchecked? it should be checked otherwise DR5 won't work. You're also missing the Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm and the Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm. To get your load order from OBMM click Import/Export and it is the first option just copy and paste it.

Update to OOO 1.34beta5 that is required for MMMForOOO. See OOO thread which is a few post down below this one.

ok ill just try redownloading OOO and MMM then. since it seems im missing the .esms, i can only assume they got installed wrong the last time.


ty for all the help!!

Whataver else you do, make sure you follow a guide to "MMM for OOO", whether it's the official one(s) or, for example, http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=guides_mod_installation&subpage=mmmforooo_installation_guide.

Getting used to Wrye Bash (e.g., Bashed Patch) is probably a good idea, too. Though that might only be essential for FCOM, and not for MMMforOOO. :shrug: Not sure, but no doubt one or more of the available guides will tell you. Also, make sure you read any readme text/html/pdf files that come with mods - they're there for a reason.

And certainly, install your mods via OBMM or BAIN (or a mix of both, if you prefer). Otherwise, things *will* go wrong. And use BOSS to put your mods in order, once they're installed. BOMM is very handy too, if you have MS Word installed on your PC - recommended. Otherwise, make sure you update the masterlist.txt file quite often (at least once a week, perhaps) - BOMM will do this for you, whenever you "run" BOMM.doc.


edit: Also, with any mod, get used to reading the OP of the current thread here for it (like, for OOO, and for MMM). Most will usually be found within the first few pages of threads. Sometimes, reading a bit further than the OP can be useful, too - updates, other users' experiences, modders' future plans, etc.

ya i guess i need to BOSS and Wrye Bash (only have Oblivion Mod Manager now).

also i reinstalled OOO and MMM, and the game loads now! woot! However, now several icons seem to be missing. So far i have noticed drain, absorb, and fortify skill/attribute icons have disappeared, along with all of the various soul gem icons (well Grand thru Petty, current char doesn't have any Black soulgems), all resist "X" icons, and restore fatigue/attributes but not restore health. Not a game breaking issue, but still annoying. Guess ill read thru the OPs and see if i find anything

Seems like you're missing resources from OOO. Make sure you have http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1108040-relz-oscuros-oblivion-overhaul-133/ installed and not just the the 1.34 Beta 5 patch. That is, you need to install OOO 1.33 Complete first - and then patch it with OOO 1.34 Beta 5.

While you're at it, make sure the MMM.bsa is http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1105791-relzmartsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/ as well. Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa in your case.

i read somewhere, official MMM post i think, that said ill need to reinstall OOO after installing MMM. So im going to try that now and see if it works

If starting from scratch you should rather install OOO before MMM. From http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1105791-relzmartsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/:



If you update MMM to 3.7b3PR3 from a previous MMM install, you'd need to reinstall OOO as well, so that might be what you're thinking of.

i reinstalled OOO, then MMM. Ty for all the help with getting that working! Now the new icons are in the game.

I played it for a little bit last night and the game ran fine; however, i tried to play it today and now the game freezes every time i cast a spell on myself ( new character only has detect life, and restore health spells so they are the only ones i have tried).

Idk if this has anything to do with installing MMM, but i don't recall having this problem before.

here's my load order, if that is useful:
Oblivion.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Knights.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Living Economy.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Short Grass V3.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp