I voted biger than oblivion because oblivion is small. I want them to bring back Morrowinds endurance and slow us down and lower our jumps. Doing that will make the bigger game world seem even bigger. That and horses will be less slow now.

Funny how the Arena box says 8 million.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3485/10930155.jpg

Morrowind 10 mi2
Oblivion 16 mi2
Daggerfall 62,394 mi2
Arena >3,088,817 mi2

Haha 8 million... xD
It shows us how unimportant the scale between different TES-games are

That was also randomly generated terrain. They could probably make a game the size of the whole world in randomly generated terrain, but the time to walk it would be too much to handle.

well seeing as oblivion is a never-ending see of lava, i would say smaller than oblivion. around the same size of Cyrodil would be nice though :frog:

I don't see why anyone wouldn't want it to be as big as possible. I certainly hope it will be slightly larger than Oblivion, and it probably will. And it'll feel larger as well because of the square shape of Skyrim instead of the narrow riverbeds in Cyrodiil, also slwoer walkspeed and a HIGHER DENSITY OF TREES would make areas feel larger.

Agreed!

CYRODIL is not to scale...

from leyawiin to the mouth of the panther is a 3 hour walk according to mazoga the orc when you do her quest.

why have the whole world hand built when you can give DIRECTIONS for how it should be procedurally generated?? The trees in Oblivion itself were already procedurally generated. Do you think it would matter so much if the Oblivion developers had put BY HAND each one of the trees??


if you want EVERYTHING carefully placed by hand, Bethesda might as well reduce the game world to a single room inside a house, where they will model every splinter of a wooden table, every cup will be unique, with its own imperfections, etc.


I dont want a whole world hand built, if its an UNREALISTIC, NON-IMMERSIVE world, that is 4 km wide and has cities that are smaller than my dog′s house.

Time goes faster in-game. She might be talking in facts right there.

This - i feel that skyrim deserves to be huge since we have massive draw distances
Im just imaging trudging across a massive snowy expanse, then seeing a dragon far off in the distance and getting low and hiding till it passes.

We're going to be having mountains, caverns, ravines, glaciers, lakes, trenches, and more to traverse. Unlike the occasional Cyrodiilic steep slope or river, the land is probably going to be divided up more so that it'll probably feel bigger.

I really don't think it should get any bigger than Oblivion. That game used enough random generation and probably put stress on the devs just to get regions done rather than get them done right.

I would actually prefer if it would be smaller, but I voted same as Oblivion because they're probably used to that size and if they're trying to do a whole province that's probably the smallest they should go. I would actually prefer if they just did smaller regions rather than whole provinces and make them to a larger scale than Oblivion. There was just something weird in that game having these pathetically small cities that are just a "stones throw" away from each other. They were more like glorified villages.

isnt your last sentence in contradiction to the rest of your post?

I think Shadow mean something more like Fallout 1 and 2, Vampire: Bloodlines, etc. where you do not have a fully realized map but rather separate zones/regions that are fully detailed with an over-map to navigate between them. This dodges the problems that pop up when attempting to create an entire province in a single game. It allows for more time to be spent on the important parts of the world, characters, etc, and avoids the silly, amusemant park feeling you get when you try to condense a continent into a few square miles.

The problem with that is it runs afoul of the whole exploration element of The Elder Scrolls.

their team has increased substancially since oblivion, they can afford to make more things.

I'd like a game world that's about 60 square kilometers, but I wouldn't want the map to be bland and boring. As long as it's unique and atleast as big as Oblivions world, I'm good.

Ideally it'd be bigger of course, I don't think anyone would for any reason want a smaller game. I'll be fine with something the size of Oblivion or Morrowind though.

Skyrim's map is 101x73 cells big. 7,373 cells total.
Oblivion's map is 117x94 cells big. 10,998 cells total.


Now to count the playable cells...
Skyrim: http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2858/skyrimmap.png

Oblivion: http://www.baldurdash.org/TESOblivion/UOPCellAudit.jpg

If anyone still remembers how big Morrowinds world felt... They just need to do that. Just have diverse landscapes and dungeons and it should feel a lot bigger than it is. We all know Oblivions world felt small, I believe this is because all the locations pretty much looked the same, Morrowind had so much diversity it was hard to fathom, which is why it felt so large. Also if they could do something to slow down the speed of walking or spread out the cities or something, it would be great because i miss taking a 5 day trip to go across the continent (Morrowind) rather than a 5 hour walk across it.

Neither one of those maps are the least bit accurate.
The oblivion one is the size of the in game map which doesn't show the entire worldspace.
The actual specs are:
Tamriel Worldspace Specifications:
Width...............134 Cells
Hieght..............129 cells
Total Cells.........13396
That takes into account the huge chunk missing in the lower left corner.
If you want to count Cyrodiil's usable cells use my cell grid map.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/23939-1-1240453369.jpg

Chances are very good that the Skyrim map doesn't show the entire worldspace either. It does show the # of playable cells though. However we have no idea how many game units across those cells are so we still won't have any idea how big it actually is.

i would love a bigger map.and btw it hasnt been confirmed that skyrim will be as big as Cyrodiil.STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS JUST BECAUSE SOME DUTCH MAGAZINE SAID "Skyrim is aproximeltey the same size as Oblivion."it could very well be bigger

Well, that particular Skyrim map is 101x73 cells big. It's impossible to tell how big the physical map is at this point.

Oblivion - Playable cell count approx. 4600 cells


Skyrim - Playable cell count approx 4400 cells - that is only calculating 5 cells nw and 10 cells ne out into the northern sea. if you go another few cells out into the sea it would add up to a few hundred more cells.

Keep in mind though we don't know if the cells are the same size as Oblivion. If they are then the two game's main world spaces are almost identical in size.