Hey.
I've tried searching for this, but I haven't found anything.



So, will this be a GfW LIVE game, with achievements?

The current cover doesn't have a LIVE logo.

GfW Live no, Steam yes. Achievements yes, on Steam.

Are you sure you searched? There are HOARDS of these threads.

No, it is not. It is a Steam game.

Edit- Freaking hell this place is full of Ninjas :cryvaultboy:

I don't believe it will use Games for Windows. Instead it will use Steam for authentication and downloading DLC. Something I appreciate, since I like Steam, and always found Games for Windows to be a piece of crap.

EDIT:
Wow. Ninjas indeed. Two of them.

Will it be forced Steam? I hope not. I hate Steam.
Steam should never be forced into a game. It should only be an option for those who like it.

What's so bad about steam? I've never used it just wondering.

Even if (like I intend to do) you don't buy anything online, you go to the store, and buy a retail boxed version- you will register it with Steam. Well, unless you just want it for collector's value and have no intent to actually install and play it.

It's just a crap program that forces you to use it to play some games. Kind of like Games for Windows Live & the Social Club for Rockstar in GTA4.

It's a good program for some, but it offers absolutely nothing for me, except something I have to login to just to play a game.

That is garbage for a single player game.

From the pinned "Fan interview thread"

Steam has many more upsides than it does downsides, especially for a single player offline game like Fallout which will never suffer from Steam downtime. You need to activate your game online on Steam once and thats it. After that you dont need to use the disc to launch the game (which ends up making the game launch faster even if you need to log into Steam). It makes purchasing DLC a lot easier, its a nice game/communioty manager and the in-game overlay is very useful.

The least intrusive experience for PC gamers would be to not have Steam as a mandatory to play the game.

No, it doesn't. All PC games are "Games for Windows", but few of them are "Games for Windows LIVE".

I'm not fond of the Steam requirement either and think a disc-check should be more than enough considering it's a 100% single player game, but it's the only way to play the game on the PC.

Well, that svcks. I really do not want that garbage program on my computer. I only had it on my computer once & that was to play HL2. After I beat the game, I quickly uninstalled Steam. I wish game developers would wake up & realize not everyone like Steam & it would be much easier to just put the saved games on your computer & not have to deal with worthless programs to do it.

When Half-Life 2 came out, I hated Steam too. Didn't like it at all. But That was half a decade ago. Steam has tremendously improved since then. It is the BEST online game authentication program as it stands now. Really, I don't see what the big deal is, other than people being against it for the reason that they are going to hate ANY method of online authentication. I can agree that it would be best not have the copy protection at all, but if they are going to do it, Steam is lightyears beyond Windows LIVE.

You really only have to sign-in ONCE to authenticate your game, and that is it. Any game you download from Steam or activate with Steam can be played offline by checking a simple option on or off. After that, you can go months without ever getting on the Internet again and play New Vegas or any other game just fine. Steam isn't bloated, it's not obtrusive, and it doesn't try to do things for you. Mods, fan patches, texture mods, everything still works with Steam versions of games. They find the latest patches and automatically update your game, and if by some chance you don't want that, you can turn it off as well.

Not to mention it allows you to backup on your games by burning extra discs, etc. And its true potentially really becomes apparent once you change computers for the first time after using it. You sign into Steam on the new PC and all your games, settings, everything is right there. Much easier than having to dig through boxes from a move or on your bookcase to find your old game cds and having to reinstall them one by one, and god forbid you've lost an instructional manual or CD-Key in the intervening move or years.

If your only experience with Steam was years ago, it is worth another look. I personally pre-ordered New Vegas from Steam since I like the service so much, so I guess the whole Steam authentication issue just isn't one for me. I couldn't hardly get Windows LIVE to work correctly or stop messing things up, but I've never had that problem with Steam.

Thanks for all the replies. I've searched for the words "games for windows live", that's probably why I haven't found anything.


I don't really have anything against Steam (except they sell games at ridiculous prices), it's good we can activate the retail game key on Steam and play it without the disc.


I also haven't had any major problems with GfW LIVE, and I actually like it because I have an Xbox 360 console. I got Fallout 3 for both platforms, so it'd be nice to have New Vegas on my games list too, but I guess Steam will have to do.
On the other hand I've seen many users who have had problems with GfW LIVE, so maybe it's a good thing. Then again LIVE wasn't a mandatory feature in Fallout 3, since it had no multiplayer.


I don't really care about Steam achievements, so at least I won't be bugged by the few stupid ones (like 10k unarmed damage).

I hated steam when it first came out with HL2 as well.

but this past year i downloaded it again cause i got a hankering for some portal action and it blew me away. It is now pretty much the sole way i purchase games for the PC.

there are virtually no downsides to using it and lots of upsides.

Not needing a disc at all and having my games neatly organized on one program makes things nice and easy when wanting to play different games in one session. not to mention how much free room i have in my personal playing space.

To me it's the easiest and best way to buy and manage PC games. honestly ill be glad when digital distribution is the only way to get PC games, and the way it looks now it seems that will be a reality in a few years. might as well get used to steam and other digital distribution services now.

i dont know how much games are where you buy them at the store but for me all steam prices are pretty much the same as target or best buy. And steam is always having sales heck a few months ago you could buy the bethesda pack (MW, Oblivion, F3) for less than twenty bucks.

None of what you mentioned gives any reason to force it on people to play the game.
Does Steam need to be running in order to play the game? Even after you have gone through the extra step of having to register it with Steam?
The only way having Steam be beneficial to me, would be to have Steam pay me to play the game, because so far, I'm not seeing anything else that it offers that I need.

it's not as intrusive to your gaming experience as you're making it out to be either.

the developers have just used a different method for authentication/installation.

I can get games here for the same price or better than on Steam & I get to have an actual hard copy of the game. I do not want to have to rely on crappy software to keep track of my games. I don't like having to login to crappy software to play my games. If you do, great, but why force it on people that do not like it?Don't you think the option to use it or not would be much better than being forced to use it?

not really.

it's the best way for developers to make sure their game is obtained legally. with steam the developers don't have to worry as much about someone copying all the game data and throwing a CD crack in and boom free fallout new vegas for everyone. If you really want to be angry at someone for this kind of distribution then get mad at the pirates and used game companies for making developers go this far in how they distribute their media.

and really i haven't heard one legitimate reason as to why it's so awful other than "I dont want it on my computer." hard copies aren't that big of a deal imo. it's liable to break, scratch, or even just break down from use. a digital copy will always be there ready and waiting even if your computer blew up and half your stuff got burned up. right when you got a new comp you just have to go to steam enter your account and every game you ever had is at your fingertips again. Hard copies have no where near that amount of security/back up.

calling something bad doesnt actually make it bad, no matter how much you just dont like it.

And calling something good doesn't actually make it good either, no matter how much you like it. What if Steam happens to lose all their servers that hold your info & you lose all your games & have to go out & buy them all again because you don't have a hard copy that you can just reinstall the game with?
There is nothing that can be said that will make me like Steam. It offers absolutely nothing good to me. I can just burn a copy of my game & use that disc so the original doesn't get damaged.

that's why they have back up servers. Valve actually cares about their customers coming back to them and if something ever happened they'd 1) get you your money back, or 2) get all your games back probably with a free game to boot.

let me point you to this article:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/29604/Valve_Addresses_12000_Erroneous_MW2_Steam_Bans_Gives_Free_Left_4_Dead_2.php

to sum it up valve accidently banned 12000 users, almost immediately unbanned them and gave them each two free copies of their own left 4 dead 2 game one for the customer and one for them gift to friend.

this situation is almost the exact same kind of thing you just described. they fixed it and compensated their customers for the inconvenience.

Steam is not just about having the game on your computer, it's providing a service to it's customers. you are only looking at playing this one single game and not the service that steam provides.

your hypothetical situation is not going to happen because steam will provide full compensation for anything they mess up and any inconveniences they incur upon you.

again your claims against it are very shallow. Im not trying to sway your opinion I'm just saying your reasons for not liking it are unfounded. you didnt even comment on any of my points, only the last sentence. it may not offer anything good to you, but it also does not take away from your game experience in any way. if it actually affects the way you will play new vegas then please explain.

heck with steam you can keep your original hard copy in its case forever in mint condition.

...Then Valve restores from backups. If your purchases were made after the date of last backup, then you get in touch with Valve's support and they'll fix it.

The only legitimate complaint against steam that I've heard is the concern that in a decade or two, valve might go under. By then, though, I most likely would have already lost the retail disk anyway, or it would have been scratched/dropped/degraded to uselessness.



Not even delicious sales where games are often anywhere from 33-75% of?



That depends on the particular EULA of the game in question. Not all of them allow you to break their copy protection/DRM. The law lets you make copies of your software for archival purposes, but it says nothing, AFAIK, about breaking the encryption that prevents you from doing so.

I would be pissed if the only compensation was L4D2. The game is horrible.

Steam's services aren't anything I want or need. It would only be for one game as I tend to avoid games that require mandatory Steam usage.

More people like steam then hate it, get use to it, it ain't going anywhere.