ok so i just finally set up morrowind with mods mge etc.(all that i know are clean) but every time i load a game (some exeptions) it loads freezes then ctd's. theres no error messages or anything so it doesnt make any sense???? :cryvaultboy:

heres my load list:

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Astarsis_HEF.esm
_005_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
_006_ Bloodmoon Landscape Overhaul 1.0.esm
_007_ Assassins Armory.esm
_008_ MetalQueenBoutique.esm
_009_ Book Rotate.esm
_010_ Havish.esm
_011_ TR_Data.esm
_012_ TR_Map1.esm
_013_ TR_Map2.esm
_014_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
_015_ Clean The Lost Artifacts of Morrowind.esm
_016_ NPC LCV Schedules 03.esp
_017_ AtmosphericSoundEffects-3.0-Tribunal.esp
_018_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
_019_ Astarsis_DEF_PlainReplace.esp
_020_ Clean jet_gold_armor.esp
_021_ Clean Kynareth.esp
_022_ Clean Arkay.esp
_023_ NPC LCV Locks.esp
_024_ Clean Akatosh.esp
_025_ Clean Dibella.esp
_026_ Clean Weapon Sheaths Ultimate.esp
_027_ havish-BM-Fixes.esp
_028_ Lgnpc_SN.esp
_029_ Vivec Expansion 2.0.esp
_030_ dh_furn.esp
_031_ dh_furn_stores.esp
_032_ AreaEffectArrows.esp
_033_ LeFemmArmor.esp
_034_ dh_thriftshop.esp
_035_ dracandrosvoice.esp
_036_ TRIB_witchgirladvent1.esp
_037_ Divine_domina_part_1.esp
_038_ Divine_domina_part_3_Tribunal.esp
_039_ Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp
_040_ Almalexia_Voicev1.esp
_041_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp
_042_ Better Bodies.esp
_043_ DB_Attack_Mod.esp
_044_ Divine_domina_part_4.esp
_045_ Improved Inns.esp
_046_ Divine_domina_part_5.esp
_047_ Windows Glow.esp
_048_ Key Replacer Trib & BM.esp
_049_ Annastia V3.3.esp
_050_ Clean Better Caldera.esp
_051_ abotGuars.esp
_052_ Clean BB2_Falconer_Leather.esp
_053_ Ice_OblivionMithril.esp
_054_ Scripted_Spells.esp
_055_ Oluhan V1.13.esp
_056_ Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
_057_ Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
_058_ PW_Cait_Moose.esp
_059_ Assassins Armory - Unofficial Patch 7.7.esp
_060_ Ice_Wolf_Cuirass_Mod.esp
_061_ Galsiahs Character Development.esp
_062_ GCD StartScript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp
_063_ GCD better balanced birthsigns.esp
_064_ GCD Over 60 level speedup.esp
_065_ GCD Restore Potions Fix.esp
_066_ GCD_SS_patch.esp
_067_ Tribun_Laura_3_0.esp
_068_ Clean SR_Dark_Elves.esp
_069_ ImprovedTeleportation2.0.esp
_070_ 1gr_Comp_Beryl.esp
_071_ constance1_0.esp
_072_ Better Solsthiem Creatures.esp
_073_ PhijamaWeaponsCompanions_FreeArrows.esp
_074_ BB Dark Brotherhood by Westly.esp
_075_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_076_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_077_ MW_Public_Library.esp
_078_ Westly's Dark Elf Male Headpack.esp
_079_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerPLUS.esp
_080_ Happy Holidays_Westly_2007.esp
_081_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_082_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_083_ Protective Guards.esp
_084_ The Neverhalls.esp
_085_ Creatures.esp
_086_ Go To Jail 3.5 - T B.esp
_087_ fkoa.esp
_088_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_089_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20_suppl.esp
_090_ Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp
_091_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_092_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_093_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_094_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_095_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
_096_ Havish - Scimitar Update + GCD (no MWE).esp
_097_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
_098_ Ownership Indicator.esp
_099_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
_100_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_101_ GovernerMansionReplacer.esp
_102_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp
_103_ Vvardenfell Footpad MWSE.esp
_104_ Beds4Rent.esp
_105_ Dragon rider's armor, by Mandamus.esp
_106_ LA_MWSE IT Patch.esp
_107_ Trib_Domehome1.esp
_108_ k_weather (louder sounds).esp
_109_ Constance's Amulet.esp
_110_ Westly's Nord Male Headpack.esp
_111_ Romance_v37EV.esp
_112_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_113_ Acheron's Camping Gear 2.esp
_114_ KS_Ren's_Oblivion_Hair_for_Morrowind_1.0.esp
_115_ The Crimson Wire by Mandamus-EV1.0.esp
_116_ Leaves of Lorien.esp
_117_ The Shrine of Mephala by Westly.esp
_118_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp
_119_ Romance_Follow_v10EV.esp
_120_ Westly Presents-Night Song Armour.esp
_121_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_122_ Westly's Female Head Pack-Humans.esp
_123_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_124_ LGNPC_SoulSicknessPatch_v1_00.esp
_125_ JAC_Jasmine.esp
_126_ DN_1st_Person_bodies.esp
_127_ DN_1st_Person_Armor.esp
_128_ Suran_Underworld_2.5-jms_patch.esp
_129_ New Khajiit Bodies - Clean.esp
_130_ _mark andrecal mercahnt.esp
_131_ Havish Mini Patch.esp
_132_ Pursuit Enhanced.esp
_133_ Atronach Expansion.ESP
_134_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp
_135_ almalexia armor.esp
_136_ Westly Presents_Creed of the Assassin.esp
_137_ Westly Presents_Aureals.esp
_138_ Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp
_139_ South Wall.ESP
_140_ SW_ASE_ADDON.esp
_141_ SW_LivingCitiesofVvardenfell03-13Patch.esp
_142_ Arrow De-nocker.esp
_143_ Third_Person_Crosshair_spell.esp
_144_ Clean Chargen_Revamped_v2_3.esp
_145_ DreadKnight.ESP
_146_ Clean New Seyda Neen 1.5.esp
_147_ Dirnae's Slower Walk.ESP
_148_ NX9_Guards_Complete.ESP
_149_ Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp
_150_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_151_ Acrilix's Hi-res Signs.esp
_152_ LA_MWSE Addon.esp
_153_ Pickpocket Fix.esp
_154_ Better Skulls.ESP
_155_ Vurt's AI Trees Replacer.ESP
_156_ Vurt's Leafy West Gash.ESP
_157_ Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
_158_ NX9_Guard_LGRedoran_Patch.ESP
_159_ Lich King.esp
_160_ Vurt's Solstheim Trees & Bushes Replacer.ESP
_161_ Give your orders v13.esp
_162_ Enhanced Detection.esp
_163_ Clean dark molag mar.ESP

so any reason you can see?

i hate to post a help thread but this is a pretty big unsolve-able bug. any ideas.

from what i understand MGE has issues when loading a save from an out side cell if you load a save that's in an interior load it and then load your outside save from that save. it should load if you get what i mean. i'm not 100% on this i don't use MGE but i have heard of that work around

well that would make sense:

but every time i load a game (some exeptions) -what i said above-

is out side not inside. gosh i wish i'd know that before. :banghead:

if you can get an interior save to load try to load the exterior from it and after that i'd get a multi mark mod and try to save indoores and see if that helps

ok after many tries i'm still getting this. :cryvaultboy:

What version of the MCP are you using?
Does it work if you start a new game (then save and load right after chargen)?
Have you tried turning off MGE/MWSE/MWE and associated plugins and seeing if your problem is with external programs?
Have you tried just vanilla MW (and expansions)?

i've tried just vanilla it works (with the mcp installed)
next i'll try and see if the external programs are doing it, i ever thought of them....... tired...

thanks for the advise

and yes i can start a new game but rarely load it. also i've halfed the modlist. and so far it's getting better

think i got it working propally. mwse dont seem to want to work..............NOW ON TO MY FIRST EVER GAME IN A YEAR!! :flamethrower:

think i got it working propally. mwse dont seem to want to work..............NOW ON TO MY FIRST EVER GAME IN A YEAR!! :flamethrower:

are you using MGE's MWSE and the stand alone MWSE if so you need to either remove MWSE or turn it off in MGE

no just the mwse in mge :wacko: might try some more test later on and see what it is thats causing it (if it's a specific mod that uses mwse)