I'm not saying it is, or it isn't. But there are alot of things out there detrimental to pc gaming.
Shoddy console ports, no proper support, consolization, games not using pc's graphics potential, 6 month delays. Bad PR from media (cliiffy B/gametrailers for example). Horrible DRM and many other problems.

The qeastion here is, is Crytek now part of the problem?

PC Gaming's actually growing (according to revenue reports).


You're not considering digital distribution in your calculations, or "casual games", or indie games (this is where it's at right now). The Indie Gaming market is basically centered on the PC right now. Console gamers don't buy things unless they have "Call of Duty" written on it, or someone pays IGN to give it a 90+. Right now, indie developers are able to distribute their product through services like Steam fairly cheaply, without a publisher, and make lots of money because they actually get coverage from PC-centric media.

Sadly, I can't see PC gaming ever being where it was before xbox360/ps3 generation of consoles. It will forever be limited to what consoles can do because thats where the money is. There will be some random developers making games just for PC (see Shattered Horizon, diablo 3) but other than "indie" games, no big developer will make games just for PC.

We must resort to playing oldschool stuff like Out of this World, Grim Fandango, and Doom.

Sadly, I can't see PC gaming ever being where it was before xbox360/ps3 generation of consoles. It will forever be limited to what consoles can do because thats where the money is. There will be some random developers making games just for PC (see Shattered Horizon, diablo 3) but other than "indie" games, no big developer will make games just for PC.

Indie games are getting good, though. If big developers don't up their game on PC, indie games will take over the market share. It's only a matter of time until we get a multiplayer FPS that's a hit like Minecraft is.

No it's not, shut up.
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PC Gaming's actually growing (according to revenue reports).


You're not considering digital distribution in your calculations, or "casual games", or indie games (this is where it's at right now). The Indie Gaming market is basically centered on the PC right now. Console gamers don't buy things unless they have "Call of Duty" written on it, or someone pays IGN to give it a 90+. Right now, indie developers are able to distribute their product through services like Steam fairly cheaply, without a publisher, and make lots of money because they actually get coverage from PC-centric media.
Not really true. I buy tons of Indie stuff off both psn and steam as do a lot of others. There are tons of Indie titles on the consoles and they sell very very well. And cod is not just played on consoles. Mw2 and blops are always within top 5 most played on steam daily. Anyway PC gaming certainly what it was. I've been gaming on PC since the early 90s and it was great to get all the exclusive titles designed for PC. Today we 90% of what we get is console hand me Downs.

I disagree with this statement and I believe that pc gaming will rebound really soon and here is why.

1. pc gaming market is far more potential profit margin then any other video gaming market.

Lets look at crysis 2 for example. The console version, Ea has to pay for marketing, it has to pay for manufacturing, it has to pay for distribution, and it has to pay microsoft and sony for the game to be available on there console.

But on pc , if its a digital copy, EA only has to pay for marketing and it has to pay Digital content service such as steam, d2d etc and that is it and if you buy from EA they only pay for marketing. The profit margin is a lot higher per sale then any other platform.

2. steam only has 30 million active accounts. that is a lot of potential customers.

3. the cost of hardware has gone down. You can build a gaming pc for less than 600 bux.


4 . Consoles for the most part have reached there limits of what they can actually do and need devices like kinect and move to keep them relavent while the pc's potential has yet to be fully unlocked.

5. minecraft sold over 1 million copies with no advertisemant just word of mouth and WOW makes an avg of 150 million dollars a month.

6. sony and microsoft are in no hurry to make the next group of consoles because they cost a fortune to develop and passing that cost on to you would mean they would be unaffordable for the mainstream so they have to take a loss on each console sold. and in the current economic climate they probably are even less inclined to develop new hardware

7. Battlefield 3

8. indie market is a fairly strong market and EPIC and crytek both realise this, why do you think EPIC has such low license fees for UDK for indie devs and why do you think crytek wants to follow there lead

We had a few good pc games recently. Metro 2033, Bad company 2, Cryostasis, Amnesia dark decent. Star wars MMO looks great, bf3 looks awesome.

There is hope.

We must resort to playing oldschool stuff like Out of this World, Grim Fandango, and Doom.

Out of this World rocked! Back when games were really good and ACTUALLY WORKED RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!

I also remember Rise of the Dragon, High Road to China, and Martian Memorandum. Those were the days. It seems about the late 90's we fell, and have been falling ever since.

Yes I firmly believe that PC gaming is not dying, and its pretty obvious because of the install base of windows PCs out there , It couldnt die even if we wanted it to.. LOL. And no I Dont !!! I love My PC.
HOWEVER.. I do believe it is currently diseased, full of mediocraty and multi port compromise.

As a long time PC gamer I have seen a steady decline in the platform , Fortunately there are still a few pioneers out there that care more about content, immersion and the experiance of thier game than the majority.
The future is still looking bright and as the next few years go by im hopefull a lot of developers... {and i mean the ones that love what they do and care about the types of games they make , which is also rare these days}... become sick and bored to death with the current limitations of Console hardware.

A shift in passionate talent to the PC platform is inevitable in my humble opinion , albeit a minority . For now though, the cancer will spread deeper . Ive just recently found out that even my beloved Blizzard is hiring Console programmers etc, to work on the diablo franchise . There will be a lot of CRAP coming my bretheren , including this Turd of a console port. However, the modders, the passionate few , the ones who want to use ALL the tools to create something special, are out there, and i look forward to enjoying {and purchasing} Their creations.

On a last note.. Sony , microsoft and Nintentdo ARE working on new consoles, I dont care what kind of roadmaps or Hardware statistics you want to throw at me , they are . Yes we are a few years off but such was the case with the last gen. and the latter, and the latter ,, etc.

No it's not, shut up.
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From the sounds of it, you didn't even read the thread, only the title.
In the future, it would probably be best if you attempted to read or in general "think" before acting.

This goes for anyone answering as to "yes" or "no" to pc gaming dying.
Read the qeastion.

PC Gaming's actually growing (according to revenue reports).


You're not considering digital distribution in your calculations, or "casual games", or indie games (this is where it's at right now). The Indie Gaming market is basically centered on the PC right now. Console gamers don't buy things unless they have "Call of Duty" written on it, or someone pays IGN to give it a 90+. Right now, indie developers are able to distribute their product through services like Steam fairly cheaply, without a publisher, and make lots of money because they actually get coverage from PC-centric media.
Not really true. I buy tons of Indie stuff off both psn and steam as do a lot of others. There are tons of Indie titles on the consoles and they sell very very well. And cod is not just played on consoles. Mw2 and blops are always within top 5 most played on steam daily. Anyway PC gaming certainly what it was. I've been gaming on PC since the early 90s and it was great to get all the exclusive titles designed for PC. Today we 90% of what we get is console hand me Downs.

They don't sell nearly as well as they do on PC. Look at Super Meat Boy as a reference.

PC Gaming's actually growing (according to revenue reports).


You're not considering digital distribution in your calculations, or "casual games", or indie games (this is where it's at right now). The Indie Gaming market is basically centered on the PC right now. Console gamers don't buy things unless they have "Call of Duty" written on it, or someone pays IGN to give it a 90+. Right now, indie developers are able to distribute their product through services like Steam fairly cheaply, without a publisher, and make lots of money because they actually get coverage from PC-centric media.
Not really true. I buy tons of Indie stuff off both psn and steam as do a lot of others. There are tons of Indie titles on the consoles and they sell very very well. And cod is not just played on consoles. Mw2 and blops are always within top 5 most played on steam daily. Anyway PC gaming certainly what it was. I've been gaming on PC since the early 90s and it was great to get all the exclusive titles designed for PC. Today we 90% of what we get is console hand me Downs.

They don't sell nearly as well as they do on PC. Look at Super Meat Boy as a reference. got a link to sale all I see is 400k total http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Meat_Boy

Not really true. I buy tons of Indie stuff off both psn and steam as do a lot of others. There are tons of Indie titles on the consoles and they sell very very well. And cod is not just played on consoles. Mw2 and blops are always within top 5 most played on steam daily. Anyway PC gaming certainly what it was. I've been gaming on PC since the early 90s and it was great to get all the exclusive titles designed for PC. Today we 90% of what we get is console hand me Downs.

They don't sell nearly as well as they do on PC. Look at Super Meat Boy as a reference. got a link to sale all I see is 400k total http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Meat_Boy

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/03/01/super-meat-boy-pc-sold-more-in-two-weeks-than-xboxs-total-sales/

Yes I firmly believe that PC gaming is not dying, and its pretty obvious because of the install base of windows PCs out there , It couldnt die even if we wanted it to.. LOL. And no I Dont !!! I love My PC.
HOWEVER.. I do believe it is currently diseased, full of mediocraty and multi port compromise.

Welcome to gaming in a world where AAA titles need more money then summer blockbuster movies to make. If they WANT a profit on these games, they better damn well make them multiplatform. What has changed is not any platform, but the cost.... and with it the day of the 3rd party exclusive.

As a long time PC gamer I have seen a steady decline in the platform , Fortunately there are still a few pioneers out there that care more about content, immersion and the experiance of thier game than the majority.
The future is still looking bright and as the next few years go by im hopefull a lot of developers... {and i mean the ones that love what they do and care about the types of games they make , which is also rare these days}... become sick and bored to death with the current limitations of Console hardware.

Expect them to work with a smaller budget though.... because as I said... the issue is AAA titles cost too damn much to make them PC only, or 360 only, or PS3 only. That is now the realm of the 1st party only as far as AAA titles go.

A shift in passionate talent to the PC platform is inevitable in my humble opinion , albeit a minority . For now though, the cancer will spread deeper . Ive just recently found out that even my beloved Blizzard is hiring Console programmers etc, to work on the diablo franchise . There will be a lot of CRAP coming my bretheren , including this Turd of a console port. However, the modders, the passionate few , the ones who want to use ALL the tools to create something special, are out there, and i look forward to enjoying {and purchasing} Their creations.

On a last note.. Sony , microsoft and Nintentdo ARE working on new consoles, I dont care what kind of roadmaps or Hardware statistics you want to throw at me , they are . Yes we are a few years off but such was the case with the last gen. and the latter, and the latter ,, etc.

Well MS is... garauntee you when Epic demoed their newest version of the Unreal Engine and said current consoles couldnt run it, they **** bricks. Nintendo is likely too, but for different reasons. Nintendo is what I call the crazy uncle in the basemant. He sodders random things and gadgets... and sometimes after something goes boom, he comes running up the stairs out of the smoke covered in suit... and excited to show you what he came up with... so the Wii was born.... then the 3Ds.... I dont think we are hearing things when we think we might hear the drill reviing up again,

PC Gaming's actually growing (according to revenue reports).


You're not considering digital distribution in your calculations, or "casual games", or indie games (this is where it's at right now). The Indie Gaming market is basically centered on the PC right now. Console gamers don't buy things unless they have "Call of Duty" written on it, or someone pays IGN to give it a 90+. Right now, indie developers are able to distribute their product through services like Steam fairly cheaply, without a publisher, and make lots of money because they actually get coverage from PC-centric media.

What calculations? Did you even read the post or did he edit it? He says he isn't saying it is or isn't dying. Just seems like he's listing a bunch of stuff thats harmful to the PC.

Speaking of which does rockstar not publish games on PC anymore. No rdr or la noire PC announcements at all plus gta5 is set to be Announced shortly.

Speaking of which does rockstar not publish games on PC anymore. No rdr or la noire PC announcements at all plus gta5 is set to be Announced shortly.
SO lets see... they announce GTA 5 and prove themselves to be liars... so it may show up on PC... OR they don't and we dont give a **** at all...

win?

Speaking of which does rockstar not publish games on PC anymore. No rdr or la noire PC announcements at all plus gta5 is set to be Announced shortly.

Meh .. Rockstar, They too are sliding into the diseased pit of Mediocraty for cash anyways.

None of you seem to be comprehending the very basic qeastion.
So much for the pc gaming masterrace.

Why buy a PC when you can buy a poor man's PC for $200 and not worry about ever upgrading it?

PC gaming competitively has been dying since Source came out

-fuzz

Why are there so many retarded threads on this forum?

Because this community is 90% retarded

-fuzz

This forum is worse than blizzard forums.

Yes PC is dying. Go buy a console OP ****.