I've had no luck with PCs. The computer I had bought in 2007 was brand new, and it started overheating and crashing less than six months after I had bought it. $1k down the toilet, plus the extra money I wasted on Geeksquad, who had failed to fix the problems. When my Xbox got RROD, I got it fixed for free. I'd rather play on the PC, but I am not fortunate enough to try spending another thousand dollars on a sufficient gaming rig. Maybe someday, but not today.

The only way PC gaming is dead is when Steam closes and companies stop making games for PCs period. But then you would still have people playing the older games.

PCs have warranties just like your XBOX did.

Far from it.

Mine didn't (or it did, but it was a very short period of time). I sent mine in to Gateway more than once and they claimed to have fixed it, but the problems arose again and again.

Well that sounds more like a user/consumer issue than a problem with PCs in general. :shrug: Maybe you should have built your own, rather than buy an overpriced piece of garbage then pay people with little knowledge about computers to try to fix it.

I guess part of the problem with PCs is that there are so many choices, that it can be hard to know what to choose. Obviously, you spend a lot of money on a poor choice of computer.

Also, with a PC, when something goes wrong, with a tiny bit of knowledge, you can often fix it yourself. There's very little chance you'll be fixing an XBOX yourself. And if you build it yourself, you can choose high quality parts with good warranties. Like graphics cards with lifetime warranties.

I just don't see one bad experience as a reason to give up on PC gaming, especially since it could have easily been avoided.

Really? me too. I been pushing F5 a lot today.

also, I read all that, I just don;t care enough to type a well written response to it.

You think things I said are wrong, I don't care what you think. Seeing as we have that down pat, Ill agree to disagree with you.
Mostly because I don;t agree with anything you have said, well ok some of it I do. But for the most part we are not going to see eye to eye now or never.

My opinion is that you're claim that my claims are false are you're opinion.

Also, what I said about opinions still stands true.

Regardless of if I am wrong or right (so I am likely wrong) this thread entertains me, and is relative to my interest..

Also, post proof, because I am bored, and so are you. so if you are bored go find the links and you won;t be bored and I can read them and not be bored.

SteveJ, most PC's have warranty's if you paid that much for one, I bet it had a one year at least.
Also, custom built Pc's are cheaper.

I suppose you assume I have plenty of money to spend. I don't.


The people with little knowledge have more knowledge about it than I do.

Honestly, with maybe half an hour of googling you'd be just as knowledgeable as those tools they hire for geek squad, or at the very least could find a local computer shop with people who have specialized knowledge. You also seem to have the same misconception many people have about the cost of a PC. Building your own saves you tons of money, and gets you a better end product as well.

It really is quite sad how little the "Geek Squad" knows. My grandparents asked me to pick out a new PC for them, relatively cheap but still powerful enough for basic Internet browsing and Solitaire. And since they live almost on the other side of the country, me building one and shipping it out there, wasnt that viable. I picked out a nice HP with a AM3 Athlon IIx2 for around $390 on sale. They went into Best Buy, and the salesperson kept telling them that it was only a single core CPU. They told them to look it up on the database, and his reply was, "Wow, I have been telling everyone not to buy that one for months now, since I thought it was only a single core."

As if the X2 doesn't give it away that it has two (X2) AM3 II cpu.

No, I have very little to spend, which is why I would actually do some research before buying a $1000 gaming PC.

Is it still dead

is it safe to come out now?

I love how "officially" is in CAPS, as if that totally proves your point.

So, after years of PC-gamers' elite-ism and looking down on the console crowd's obsession with "OOH SHINEY GRAPHIX!", are you telling me that PC gamers are the same way?


Radio has been around for about a century now. It hasn't gone anywhere.

I doubt PC gaming will ever die (thankfully)

That's fine, because I don't think things you said are wrong. Things you said are wrong, period. I know this. I know it because I can prove it. You made several statements that are provably false. Again, you tell me what source you need for any of the ones I've contested and I will give it to you. Not that I expect you to - I'm fairly certain that you know most of what you've said is wrong at this point, so asking me to prove any of them specifically would more or less sink you here.


Not quite good enough, sorry. I'm not going to just let things settle. You've said things that are blatantly false, and you are now attempting to avoid admitting it. Not going to let you do that - at the very least, I'm going to make sure that you keep deflecting like this, if only to make it apparent that you can do nothing else.


This is not a matter of disagreement or differing opinions. This is not a matter of you liking something I don't like. This is a matter of you saying things that are wrong. Things that, again, you almost certainly know are wrong by now. This is also a matter of you continuously trying to deflect from the fact that the things you stated were wrong.

The reason we aren't seeing eye to eye is because you made statements that are false, and I didn't accept them. Again, this is because they are bunk.


Then you very clearly don't know what an opinion actually is.


And it still has literally nothing to do with this thread.


So tell me what to post proof of.

Proof of Steam sales of games being higher than PSN/XBLA sales? Because again, that's not possible. There's absolutely no numbers in either direction on that one - it's a "fact" you literally made up on the spot.

Proof that PC OSes, which are several orders of magnitude larger and more complex than console OSes, and need to do a virtually infinitely broader number of things than console OSes, are not as stable as the simpler, less general console OSes? Because again, I can provide sources for this, things like bugs, known security flaws, and patch notes across different systems (though the fact that you don't understand why it's virtually impossible for your PC's OS to be more stable than a console's OS implies to me that you wouldn't actually understand why those numbers are significant).

Or going back to the other points I've made... Metro 2033 being poorly optimized? Bit tough to prove since people don't generally benchmark games on lower-than-max settings, but http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=metro+2033+poorly+optimized.

Being able to play in 1080p on consoles? See... most XBLA and PSN releases, which do so. I'm not sure how to provide a link to nearly every game on both. There are also some retail titles that do it on both, but they're rarer.

Or... maybe the claim that consoles can, in fact, play music at the same time as games? You said you had a 360, and that was one of the 360's major advertised features - I find it pretty hard to believe that you owned one and didn't know that it does it with every game.

Just Cause 2 cutting out over half its market with DX10? http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/1265761471vHmVS34Dtp_1_1_l.gif (just shortly before the game's release, with Steam adoption of that kind of thing generally being higher than the norm) good enough?

Pointing out that more than "a few people" pirate games? Uh... really, not even going to bother. This is kind of simple.

The fact that modding consoles costs money and takes effort, so it's not comparable to PC piracy? Again, sort of common knowledge (and unfortunately, the kind that I can't link to anything discussing since that's against forum rules), but you yourself already made it apparent in a prior post that you know what it involves so you know this was correct.

How about Rockstar not really being a PC developer anymore? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Games for a list of the games they've released and will be releasing, or do I need to go digging in Mobygames?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/361.html GoodOldGames not selling anything but old games? Computers, once again general use devices, being harder to use than consoles, machines that are built specifically so that you can put a disc in and immediately be playing whatever's on that disc? Games being bought digitally through online stores being... digital? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Business_Division.2C_Entertainment_and_Devices_Division

I'm not understanding why it is, exactly, that you have such a hard time admitting what's happened here. Someone said something ridiculous. You responded by disagreeing, and then you made up very nearly everything that came after that expecting people to just accept it. I didn't. The things you've said are provably wrong. I've proven several of them wrong with sources now. I've proven the rest wrong with coherent arguments, something you have yet to provide. Please, do everyone a favor, stop claiming it's your opinion that things that are clearly wrong are, in fact, right, and fess up to the fact that you messed up.

"Officially", huh? Well, that's good to know.

6 million users on STEAM........and not everyone uses STEAM. WoW has like 4 billion people now i think.

while its true that many if not most games end up being watered down to cater to the consoles inferiority there are some game developers that do make significant differences between the two platforms. even with games like devil may cry 3 you can watch youtube videos and see clearly that the PC version looks significantly better. also unless you are on your first console from launch (which originally cost 500 to 600 bucks) and have been one of the lucky ones that didnt ahve to buy a replacement a couple years down the road you arent saving any money at all.

two markets that PC will always rule are first person shooters which is by far the most popular type of game and MMOs which is also played by billions of people.

dont forget at the end of the playstation 2 era all the PC centric games that were released like doom 3 and half life 2 which blew away the consoles and increased PC sales. if anything you can guarantee that PC sales will continue to increase as the humungous, gigantic, enormous, HUGE, gargantuan difference in visual quality, physics and gameplay continues to grow to phenomonally gargantuanly ginormous differences.

http://svg.kyon.pl/static/img/remiq.net_16724.jpg

Why do you think the graphics still are that much behind? (I think they look prettier than ever before ) Because of the consoles, they still have the same hardware but the PC keeps upgrading.

I'll just let the people who knows about this stuff, teach you of what is and isn't dead in the gaming industry.

Merry Christmas everyone!

It's hard to take you seriously when you spurt out facts like these.

I stopped reading there.

You are right, I am wrong.

Have a nice day!

INB4
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congrats!
You won a argument/disagreement/topic on the internet.

Bethesda doesn't release the PC version of their games as a badly optimized port a year later than the console versions. :shrug:

star craft 2, WoW (which i personally HATE), the STALKER games which are currently the best fps games out there right now. indie games that you will never see on a console like amnesia which is by far the scariest game i have ever played. i literally cant play for more than 20-30 minutes before i get so tense i have to take a break. mount and blade warband which is the most fun ive ever had in a sandbox game and the combat is a blast. multiplayer is also amazing as well.

there are just some things that will never work well on a console.....mainly FPS games and RTS and MMO games. these will always be PC first because they have tried to make them work on consoles and you end up gimping the game with massive aim assist and slower reacting npcs (for FPS games) and reduced numbers of controls and options for RTS and MMO games.

the only games i prefer playing on a console are racing games and platform games which i never play anymore anyways. i was going to get a PS3 but since GT5 apparently looks like crap (thank you consoles for ruining yet another game i used to love) im just going to get a new 580gt card instead.