Gaming Pacifists

Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:31 am

I like the idea behind the creation of the game Deus Ex Human revolution, giving me the first real chance to play a game without killing or even circumventing a fight altogether. I thought this would be great if more games gave me this choice.
I guess what I'm asking is, am I all alone in not wanting to fight if it can be avoided?
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Charlotte Henderson
 
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:26 am

Pretty much....
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Stephani Silva
 
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 1:46 pm

no, but wolves dont do diplomacy
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:43 pm

I would like the option to be able to.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:56 am

You can usualy sneak around enemies or use paralyse spells on them so i guess it could be possible.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Deus Ex is not devoid of having to kill someone. There are boss fights set in stone that you must complete to continue the main story, and I'm sure it'll take an extra 20 hours to beat re-trying areas over and over again to completely avoid detection and thus needing to fight.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:10 pm

It could be an interesting way to play the game, up to a certain point. But this is not that kind of immersive sim, you're given choices up to a point, and then you have to accept the kind of game rules that have been implemented by the designers. Sooner or later, you're going to have to fight for your life. I don't think Dragons are too keen on the pacifism thing.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:43 am

The Oath of Peace:

Do not hurt where holding is enough
Do not wound where hurting is enough
Do not maim where wounding is enough
Do not kill where maiming is enough

The greatest warrior is one who does not need to kill

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I hope we could role play as any thing that we like, a mindless serial killer, or a peace keeper who avoids needless kills.

You attend quests, and kill monsters that are in your path, and enemy NPCs that their death can not be avoided, but you could also use tools, tricks, and spells to entangle them, trap them, make them unconscious, or like any skilled thief and agent, merely avoid them.

Edit:

Do you like to have some non-lethal arsenal, to help you disable or avoid enemies without killing them?

I like to knock my enemies down with hand to hand, or a black jack, and then tie their hands, and their mouths, and pull them out of the way to hide them, when I need discretion.

What do you like?

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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:42 pm

It's possible in Morrowind and Oblivion, I'm sure it's possible in Skyrim as well.

Illusion spells for Invisibility and Chameleon. Also good for Paralysis, Frenzy, and Command.
Sneak, to get around people.
Restoration for healing.

You may have to actually fight dragons, but outside of that, I'm sure that pacifism is viable.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:57 am

Not fighting all the time doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a pacifist, for instance...you could manipulate and bribe others into doing your dirty work for you....
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:04 pm

I myself would like the ability to fight in new and inventive ways that I myself don't have to get my hands dirty. Like the Animal Perk in Fallout where all animals will ignore you and be neutral unless attacked. At max level they come to your aid. Now that is a subversion that i can get down with. Why fight an enemy if you can turn him into an ally after all. Like that summon Dragon Shout.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:44 am

I understand that some situations will corner you and force you to fight but I just want the choice, I honestly believe In adaptability of a situation, that almost all conflicts are a misunderstanding or an over aggressive show of force and I just don't feel that killing someone is the best course of action. I'm just so tired of fighting... I really am.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:15 pm

Well, it was possibly to complete the entire main quest of Fallout New Vegas with 0 fighting, so ideally, it should be possible here too.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:21 am

I guess what I'm asking is, am I all alone in not wanting to fight if it can be avoided?

No your not alone. But its kinda taboo to be a pacifist so I think most just keep quiet about it.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm

Pretty sure you will just get eaten by a dragon.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:59 pm

I do the fighting but it's not what I like about the games. I'll fight or run when attacked but it's the exploration and questing for me. Is it still pacifist if I summon something to do the fighting? Is it pacifist if I take Boone along in FNV and he kills the enemy and/or deathclaws...and I take Animal Friend twice? I can use chameleon in Skyrim and Oblivion and get my Sneak skill up and even get the Boots of the Crusader in Oblivion so I don't have to fight every animal...but it doesn't pacify every animal. Am I still pacifist if I do mostly that? I do try to be. I like the idea that in Skyrim, not *everything* will attack you immediately...but plenty will.

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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:06 pm

Foos Ro Dah!
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:06 am

I tried this as a build in Oblivion. Went extreme stealth in all dungeons, forts and even the woods. 9 times out of 10 I ended up running away as fast as I could. The story and quest lines did not support this style in the least.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:13 am

No way would I ever go full pacifist. But I do only kill when it's called for.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:18 pm

No, you're not alone. If I have the option not to kill people, I don't kill 'em. This method of play is usually extra fun because you have to work around stuff. Unfortunately, games where you can (like Deus Ex, New Vegas, MGS) are usually designed with the ability in mind. Unfortunately for Elder Scrolls it's not very well thought of since most quests actually DEMAND to kill someone to solve them without alternatives unless you just didn't DO the quest.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:55 am

I'd kind of expect people to buy this game specifically to kill things. I mean, in the end, every character in that game is nothing more than pixels, code and voice files.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:42 am

I do the fighting but it's not what I like about the games. It's the exploration and questing for me. Is it still pacifist if I summon something to do the fighting? Is it pacifist if I take Boone along in FNV and he kills the enemy and/or deathclaws...and I take Animal Friend twice? I can use chameleon in Skyrim and Oblivion and get my Sneak skill up and even get the Boots of the Crusader in Oblvion so I don't have to fight every animal...but it doesn't pacifiy every animal. Am I still pacifist if I do mostly that? I do try to be. I like the idea that in Skyrim, not *everything* will attack you immediately...but plenty will.

:tes:

No I would not call that pacifist at all. If you hire a hit man, are you not responsible for the death? If a man teaches someone to fish and it saves him from starving, would you call him a bad person? IIf you shoot a man, would you tell the police to arrest the bullet? the gun? the trigger?
"It wasn't me I didn't do it, but I know who did, here he's right here"
*rips off own hand*
"here take this to jail"
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:34 am

No I would not call that pacifist at all. If you hire a hit man, are you not responsible for the death? If a man teaches someone to fish and it saves him from starving, would you call him a bad person? IIf you shoot a man, would you tell the police to arrest the bullet? the gun? the trigger?
"It wasn't me I didn't do it, but I know who did, here he's right here"
*rips off own hand*
"here take this to jail"


I agree with you completely. The XP from the kills that Boone does in FNV goes on my score so they're mine even if I didn't pull the trigger. It's not easy to *not* kill in Oblivion and I imagine in Skyrim it will be that way too. I'll avoid it as much as possible by stealth and I'll use Summon but I'll try to avoid killing because it's not so fun for me either like the OP. This is something that Pete mentioned today in that interview...how they try to accommodate all styles of play. He specifically mentioned getting through a dungeon with stealth instead of fighting. I'd like to see more options for pacifists in the game. In FNV, I'd do the speech checks and settle things peacefully when I could but I don't know how much of that will be possible in Skyrim. I'm a loot-lover and I give up lots of loot because I don't kill everything. :)

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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:21 pm

Leave a killer alive, see how you sleep at night when he/she/it kills another innocent. Pacifism is admirable in some situations but just plain stupid in others.
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Post » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:34 am

I hope there are lots of non-lethal options and quests. We will see.
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