According to Mr. Tsunoda... hardly anyone plays on PC anymore.
http://kotaku.com/5643105/kinect-creator-hardly-anyone-plays-first person-shooters-on-pc-anymore

And according to Cryteks behaviour about kissing the console gamers behinds is more important than showing anything convincing about the pc version,
some Pc gamers could seriously ask themselfs, if the hardcoe pc gaming is really slowly dying. When even those companies who tried to push the pc as a plattform turn their back on them.
I can already smell the upcoming arguments... piracy on the pc... but what about piracy on the 360? Its exactly as complex as downloading and burning a pc game. I would buy any good pc exclusive game as buyed every crytek title. But not a **** ass console port.
Iam not a casual gamer.. when i play a game i want to be challanged by a good and stunning looking game. I dont wanna have a small limited cotroller and a powerpc structured console with 4 year old hardware that has to use upscaling instead of showing me the true beauty of every game.
Iam not satisfied playing stupid beat em ups and hack and slay nonesense. A good story doesnt mask a simple game-concept.

Are all my hopes for pc exclusive titles ( who show what pcs are capable of) doomed because of casual *console* gamers and greedy companies?

By the way its odd that Tsunoda as a microsoft employee attacks the pc gamers... mc actually tries to revive pc gamming with games for windows. Thats kinda contra productive.

Who ever says PC gaming is dead,neglected,whatever,clearly didnt look into it.

Although I don't like COD,it has millions of players,on the PC.Bad Company 2,last time I checked(hour ago) had over 6000 FULL servers.TF2 is still going strong with thousands of players,CS,and probably more popular games I forgot are kept alive by large community's,and these are only FPS's.on the RPG side,there are MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS playing WoW and the like.RTS has thousands if not millions of players on the recent Starcraft 2.the reason games as old as CS,TF2,COD and some others live on so many years,is because they don't only have great gameplay,but because modding,which just improves the game forever.These numbers are only for people who bought the games,pirates probably double that.

Why would you hope for PC exclusive titles?

If a game goes to console (and the PC has the care and attention it needs and isn't just a console port) then it just means a wider audience, a bigger community, and better chances for a sequel of even higher quality.

Man i hate the "PC gaming is dying" topic. It's been dying for the last 15 years (read: sarcasm).

1) PC gaming in 2009 is a 13 billion dollar industry, up 3% from the previous year. So, PC gaming is growing, not dying.

2) Console gaming in 2009 is a 19 billion dollar industry, down 8% from the previous year. So, neither market is dying, dead or any other form of negative propaganda you can put on it.

What Tom said. I too am sick of these "PC gaming is dying" non-sense. Sure, OK, it's not going to be around forever, but it's certainly not dying yet or any time in the near future. That Tsunoda guy is an idiot. Where's his source on this? What stats does he have? Are those stats reliable? More importantly, does he even have any stats? Has he even seen a glimpse of any stats on this?

Don't listen to some random idiots. Anyone who tells you that PC gaming is dead already is just full of ****.

That is all.

@Cry-Tom Well, it would be nice if everybody would make good pc versions of their games and not just bad console ports. Problem is, almost nobody does. Most of the time the games suffer from the controlls of the consoles and we get poorly optimised dx 10/11 or physx features wich don′t even look much better. That′s the reason why everybody is worried about crysis 2 but i have faith in you guys^^

Games have been made on PC, you can't use a 360 or PS3 to make games on, unless you're really skilled at modding and such.

But really, PC's will live as long as we develop games on it, unless an alternative is made.

Whoever says pc gaming is dying should go and find out how much starcraft 2 has sold. And microsoft are full of crap anyways. Games for Windows Live is bull. Microsoft intrested in pc gaming is bull. Microsofts employees are bull. Halo is good though oh but wait that was made by Bungie

@tom
Because in the case of a pc-only production, the Pc gets ALL the attention and isn't held back by the weakest part: the consoles.

Again the only thing that lets me down here, is the lack of faith, I might be wrong but i am sure that I heard/read, one interview, that suggested though they are expanding multiplatform, anyone with a decent rig will be able to get the best out of this game,( Crysis 2 )

That doesnt sugggest to me that anything has been dumbed down as far as my rig is concerened.
[quote]Why would you hope for PC exclusive titles?

If a game goes to console (and the PC has the care and attention it needs and isn't just a console port) then it just means a wider audience, a bigger community, and better chances for a sequel of even higher quality.[/quote] This ^^^

[quote]Man i hate the "PC gaming is dying" topic. It's been dying for the last 15 years (read: sarcasm).

1) PC gaming in 2009 is a 13 billion dollar industry, up 3% from the previous year. So, PC gaming is growing, not dying.

2) Console gaming in 2009 is a 19 billion dollar industry, down 8% from the previous year. So, neither market is dying, dead or any other form of negative propaganda you can put on it.[/quote]This^^^

It Aint dying, not for any reason , I have confidence in abundance in this new game, allready bought and paid for the Nano edition, I know I wont be dissapointed.

Whats happening is hard core gaming such as Crysis Wars and Arma 2 is dying. Greedy companies realize they can sell more cheap COD style games meant for 8 year olds on the cheap ( compared to a PC ) console systems. The less the companies can spend on building a game, the more profit they make. So its a good excuse not to do too much work on it, because "the consoles won't be able to handle it". Hence we get nothing but cheap COD clones and ports.

On the good side though, hardcoe flight sims seem to be picking up the slack. Check out DCS: BlackShark and upcoming DCS: A-10. Ultra Realistic flight sims. With time, after many heli's and jets have been modeled, they may evolve into the new ArmAs.

25 million steam users say otherwise.

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MS are very annoyed at not having more control over pc gaming is all, they're pissed that no matter how much they shovel their craptastic 360 in our face we keep saying no

[quote]What Tom said. I too am sick of these "PC gaming is dying" non-sense. Sure, OK, it's not going to be around forever, but it's certainly not dying yet or any time in the near future. That Tsunoda guy is an idiot. Where's his source on this? What stats does he have? Are those stats reliable? More importantly, does he even have any stats? Has he even seen a glimpse of any stats on this?

Don't listen to some random idiots. Anyone who tells you that PC gaming is dead already is just full of ****.

That is all.[/quote]

Since when is PC Gaming dying?

Somebody might want to see these stats, which are just a SMALL sliver of the community.

http://tinyurl.com/2v46a72 (Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare)

http://tinyurl.com/2wkcbd4 (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2)

http://tinyurl.com/yc3nsvr (Battlefield: Bad Company 2)

A sliver of the Battlefield: Bad Company 2 competitive community:

http://tinyurl.com/3x2mg8b

And then there are the games that didnt turn out to popular....

http://www.xfire.com/games/crysiswh/Crysis_Warhead/ (tinyurl wouldnt work)

Obviously though, these stats that are just a small sliver of the PC community, clearly show that PC Gaming isnt leaving any time soon.

[quote]Why would you hope for PC exclusive titles?

If a game goes to console (and the PC has the care and attention it needs and isn't just a console port) then it just means a wider audience, a bigger community, and better chances for a sequel of even higher quality.[/quote]What it also brings is... A more immature community that also thinks its better...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6276553.html?tag=latestheadlines%3Btitle%3B6

Steam alone has close to 25 million people on it...

PC gaming slowly dieing? I don't think so...

Consoles are becomming PC's. However, they are still behind.

Seems that many believe all console players are immature 8-12 yolds
Sick of hearing this ita a cheap shot.

On behalf of my son and his extensive group of friends, all hard working people,

Just leave it otu for gods sake

[quote]Why would you hope for PC exclusive titles?

If a game goes to console (and the PC has the care and attention it needs and isn't just a console port) then it just means a wider audience, a bigger community, and better chances for a sequel of even higher quality.[/quote]

whenever a good game goes multi platform, it svcks away the PC sales because stupid console turds would rather buy it on console and the pc is once again left i the dust when they compare sales on all platforms.

[quote]Why would you hope for PC exclusive titles?

If a game goes to console (and the PC has the care and attention it needs and isn't just a console port) then it just means a wider audience, a bigger community, and better chances for a sequel of even higher quality.[/quote]

Thats pure optimism..
But in reality it never worked in the past. So why should anybody have faith in the future?
Its true that Pc games ( which are multiplatform) have become consolised. The controls are mostly not optimized and the way stronger hardware gives u just a higher resolution and maybe some AA and AF.
And thats not the *care* Pc Players deserve.
A very good example about Pc players getting ripped - off is actually Duke
Nukem Forever. This game was always intended to come on Pcs.. and now you can only hold 2 weapons @ once. So why is that u will ask?
Its Duke Nukem.. he could hold 6-7 weapons in 1996 why not in 2010?
Because he must adapt the halo weapons system because this is what works fine on consoles. Do you have a glimpse now why Pc players are angry about consoles now?
From 3drealms/ Gearbox to another traditional Pc game studio:
ID- Software.. Its already sure that rage will look exactly the same on every platform. On PC you will only get higher res. and AA and AF.
This is what destroys the Pc as a game plattform.. because theres no love from the gaming companies put in to the pc versions.
Games are born on the Pc., made on Pcs.. and they seem to die first on the Pcs.

Since when is it a console technology limitation to only allow 2 weapons... seriously, people will take any game-play decision and blame it on console hardware blindly.

So here is the reason for that "gameplay decision:

George Broussard of 3d Realms about the 2 waepons limit;

Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard".

It's not 1996 anymore.

So in DNF case .. blame the consoles is the right thing to do.
In case with crysis 2..disguise it and call it gameplay decision.. but its only a crappy excuse in my opinion.

[quote]So here is the reason for that "gameplay decision:

George Broussard of 3d Realms about the 2 waepons limit;

Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard".

It's not 1996 anymore.

So in DNF case .. blame the consoles is the right thing to do.
In case with crysis 2..disguise it and call it gameplay decision.. but its only a crappy excuse in my opinion.[/quote]

I would like to go back to 1996 for a week and play some doom. I would buy some of MS stock too.

I just hope I can get this game with out steam, but the odds are not good. RTS PC games did die off alot and I miss RTS games coming out in the 10s a year. Now it's like 1-3 a year.

practically every household HAS a pc in the modern world. so by that simple fact, it is pretty unlikely pc games will ever die, as it is. What might change is the game styles on pc, how games are played and so on. Laptops don't help "cutting edge" 3d games for the pc world, and more and more have under powered (graphically for top visual games) laptops istead of opting to own desktops, so that is a damage to community in my eyes. This whole "pc gaming is dying" rubbish only started about back in 90s with the rise of consoles in the mass market with casual gamers, when the internet wasn't really around and PC's were really only for "work"/typing etc and games for most people. PC has evolved with the internet on mass and probably will evolve more. pc gaming won't die...just change.

[quote]practically every household HAS a pc in the modern world. so by that simple fact, it is pretty unlikely pc games will ever die, as it is. What might change is the game styles on pc, how games are played and so on. Laptops don't help "cutting edge" 3d games for the pc world, and more and more have under powered (graphically for top visual games) laptops istead of opting to own desktops, so that is a damage to community in my eyes. This whole "pc gaming is dying" rubbish only started about back in 90s with the rise of consoles in the mass market with casual gamers, when the internet wasn't really around and PC's were really only for "work"/typing etc and games for most people. PC has evolved with the internet on mass and probably will evolve more. pc gaming won't die...just change.[/quote]

The just change part is bad for me if it meens steam. I know PC gaming is unlikely to die any time soon. I think topics like this are about some thing that is highly unlikely to become true.