Gender Recognition : V

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:18 am

I hope that they include a better type of Gender Recognition.

In Morrowind, male characters got a questline with Ahnassi. However, women only had Nels Llendo, who was basically a creepster standing in a field asking for a kiss. I remember being a tiny bit bummed about that.

And the overwhelming amount of NPCs in Oblivion, guards mostly, that address me as "Sir".

I'm not asking for anything to be written specifically for women, ala Mass Effect, but at least recognize me as such. :shrug:

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:23 am

You can romance and marry male (or female) NPCs in the game.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:30 am

You can romance and marry male (or female) NPCs in the game.

That has nothing to do with what the OP is talking about....

» Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:10 pm

That has nothing to do with what the OP is talking about....

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:57 am

Oh balls, sorry, I misread. I hope so too, anyhoo.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:07 pm

I never quite noticed that, likely because I never play as a female, but still, I do believe that Bethesda would fix that with their new questing AI.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:27 pm

It'd be nice to see, if anything.

As unreasonable as it is to expect too much out of a game, I kind of figured details like this would be in for the most part.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:49 am

Yes, of course guards should refer to you (sir/ma'am) based on your gender, along with everyone else in the world. I never realized this was a problem in Oblivion because I always played a dude :confused: Anyways, I am sure they will make very gender conscious NPCs in Skyrim. They have basically improved upon everything else, and it would be pretty funny if they didn't for this

BTW I find it funny you want some gender recognition while your forum status is "layman" XD maybe we should get some gender specific titles for the forums too

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:42 am

I hope that they include a better type of Gender Recognition.

In Morrowind, male characters got a questline with Ahnassi. However, women only had Nels Llendo, who was basically a creepster standing in a field asking for a kiss. I remember being a tiny bit bummed about that.

And the overwhelming amount of NPCs in Oblivion, guards mostly, that address me as "Sir".

I'm not asking for anything to be written specifically for women, ala Mass Effect, but at least recognize me as such. :shrug:

Yes!
And in Fallout they kept calling me 'mate', 'brother', 'dude', 'man', and I was like, ehhhhhh you need your eyes checked :shakehead:

Plus the dialogue that they wrote was tailored for a male PC... disappointing.
I suppose someone will pop in and say "JUST BE HAPPY YOU CAN PLAY A GIRL AT ALL".

More gender-specific things is good. They should 'discriminate' for the sake of giving everyone the right and proper experience. And if they won't do this, they should at least make everything androgynous instead of presuming you're a male (which is the real discrimination :cry:

).

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:25 am

So a furry stalker is better than a creepy bandit?

And 'sir' tend to be pretty gender-neutral.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:29 am

Well, Sir is a title for a Knight. Such as in Dragon Age, the female knights are called Ser, just like male knights.

It's a fighters/warriors title. Or a mages in TES.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:39 am

So a furry stalker is better than a creepy bandit?

And 'sir' tend to be pretty gender-neutral.

Try addressing girls as 'sir' on the streets of Britain. You'll be slapped. I'll slap you.

Let me open my dictionary:

sir Noun /s?r/
1. Used as a polite or respectful way of addressing a man, esp. one in a position of authority
excuse me, sir
2. Used to address a man at the beginning of a formal or business letter
Dear sir

» Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:22 pm

BTW I find it funny you want some gender recognition while your forum status is "layman" XD maybe we should get some gender specific titles for the forums too

Well said Sir, well said. :yes:

And 'sir' tend to be pretty gender-neutral.

How do you figure? :huh:

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:58 am

Only people to recognise your gender in Oblivion wanted something. "Please, pretty lady, I gots nothing to eat".

Seriously though, Ma'am wouldn't hurt now, would it,

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:02 am

I made a woman in Oblivion once and I'm 100% positiv the guard said "ma'am" etc.

» Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:17 pm

How do you figure? :huh:

It was generally used to refer to honorary knights who served under Lords in feudal times.

Since men were the only fighters in medieval Europe, they were the only ones referred to as Sir. But if a woman could become a knight, they would have been referred to as Sir. But considering that America butchered the English language, it is now for referring to any man.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:10 am

Only people to recognise your gender in Oblivion wanted something. "Please, pretty lady, I gots nothing to eat".

Seriously though, Ma'am wouldn't hurt now, would it,

It means a few extra megabytes of audio, which they can't fit on the disk.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:07 pm

Back then, "Sir" was the title use commonly for knights. It is not gender-specific...It's an honor to be called "Sir" regardless of your gender.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:59 am

I made a woman in Oblivion once and I'm 100% positiv the guard said "ma'am" etc.

I'm certainly not saying that they *never* call me "ma'am"; sometimes they do. But then again, sometimes they don't. I'm just politely requesting a bit more consistence.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:28 am

I don't know about ma'am.. I never address anyone as ma'am, only miss. I don't care if they're 77. In France, after a certain age point they use mademoiselle instead of madame to be more polite, even if they are married..

OT - I agree. They want it to be tailored to the individual experience of the player, but they miss the most obvious points. AI improvements? More VO for specific character traits? I know it is an extremely large game when compared to, say, DA2 that had a great deal of this, but I think it can be done.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:54 am

Back then, "Sir" was the title use commonly for knights. It is not gender-specific...It's an honor to be called "Sir" regardless of your gender.

It was generally used to refer to honorary knights who served under Lords in feudal times.

Since men were the only fighters in medieval Europe, they were the only ones referred to as Sir. But if a woman could become a knight, they would have been referred to as Sir. But considering that America butchered the English language, it is now for referring to any man.

Not really relevant in TES lore. This isn't medieval Europe. This is Nirn.

Here is a quotation from Banker's Bet, a book seen in Daggerfall:

Poor Mrs. Smethworthy's face fell when she heard this. "Are you sure?"
"Quite, madam."
"Not even one feather?" Her voice suggested doubt. Mr. Baggledon could tell she thought he might be lying.
"Not one, I fear, madam."

Thus, according to Lore, they used the word 'madam'. So should we be hearing 'sir', or 'madam'.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:32 am

Sir or Ser is genderneutral. I dont even care what happens when I call someone in Britain Sir. Did I miss a little piece of info that told me Skyrim is set in modern day Britain?

Also, 'madam' is not the equivalent of 'sir' as a knights title.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:12 am

Sir or Ser is genderneutral. I dont even care what happens when I call someone in Britain Sir. Did I miss a little piece of info that told me Skyrim is set in modern day Britain?

From the Mystery of Talara:

The women in the parade gasped and surged back at the sight, but Lady Jyllia quickly calmed her stallion down. She looked abashed at the spectacle she had caused.
"My apologies, ladies," she said with a mock military salute.
"It's all right, madam," said a blonde in silk. "We'll be out of your way in a moment."
Jyllia stared as the March passed her. Looking at that [censored] had been like looking in a mirror. The same age, and height, and hair, and eyes, and figure, almost exactly. The woman looked back at her, and it seemed as if she was thinking the same thing.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:53 am

I seem to recall the guards in Oblivion calling me ma'am. Unless I was in trouble, then it was "Criminal scum!"

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:55 am

Not really relevant in TES lore. This isn't medieval Europe. This is Nirn.

Here is a quotation from Banker's Bet, a book seen in Daggerfall:

[i]Poor Mrs. Smethworthy's face fell when she heard this. "Are you sure?"
"Quite, madam."
"Not even one feather?" Her voice suggested doubt. Mr. Baggledon could tell she thought he might be lying.
"Not one, I fear, madam."[/i]

Thus, according to Lore, they used the word 'madam'. So should we be hearing 'sir', or 'madam'.

Just because they also refer to women as madam does not mean that Sir is not used for both genders.

In modern America, there is Ms. Miss, and Mrs. for women, and just Mr. for men. That could apply to TES too, one gender having more possible titles for their gender. And Sir IS a title for a fighter, not a man. America just decided it was for men. So a women who doesn't fight could be Madam, but one who does is Sir.