But the fact we're forced with the story, in an open world game where the whole point is create characters we want to play as, it ruins that. It wouldn't take much to simply let you change your spouse's gender. Adoption exists, surrogates exist, sperm donors exist, they all exist.

There is no reason to have a straight couple, same six couples having a baby in a age of technological advancement is not impossible. It's straight up saying "Your character is straight, you have no choice in the matter" which seriously cripples characters.

A backstory can be useful I won't debate that but forcing a sixual preference onto our characters for no other reason then a stupid sense of plot that can easily be fixed by what I just said is not freaking hard to handle.

But you can be gay and still living in a marriage with child...

There is no forced sixual preference...

This again?

This is so laughable. No, SJWs are extremely limiting because they do not allow people to tell the stories they want to tell. Let's say you want to tell a story about a group of male friends? They will scream and demand that women be included. Though they are awfully silent if the situation was reversed. Let's say you want to set a story in a time and place where insert race is not really present. They will scream and demand that that race be included. What if you want to tell a story in a place and time that has strict moral and social ideals that don't align with today's? They'll scream and demand you include LGBT characters. If you give in to them, at that point, you are no longer telling the story that you want to tell. You are telling the story that they want you to tell. That is very much a limiting of creative freedom.

Diversity is a good thing. I would never say otherwise. However, requiring for forcing people to include diversity is placing limitations on the stories that people want to tell. True creative freedom is having the option to NOT include these things. Or make those things the focus of your story, if you so choose. Then the diversity is in the collection of stories, instead of forcefully crammed into every individual story.

Yet it is implied there is, that implication is enough in itself. There is no reason why there can't be an option to make our marriage in the game same-six and still have a baby, I gave numerous examples of how same-six couples have their own children.

Have they outright said that the SS is straight? OR are YOU seeing it because it seems to be "Implied" to YOU?

How hard could it be to understand that the story developed by Bethesda is about man and a woman couple who are married and have a baby?

I wonder what is S.P.E.C.I.A.L. Intelligence score of people who keep creating these threads?

Yup, they did. By having the SS being in a marriage with a kid. Sure you could say that they're bisixual or pansixual but the end result is the same, it's a straight marriage that can't be changed.


The problem IS we get enough of this crap in other games and in a game WHERE WE CHOOSE WHO WE WANT TO BE we should have the freaking option to pick if our spouse is the same six as the gender we pick.

That does not mean the SS is straight. if they are bisixual and married, they are still BIsixUAL, not STRAIGHT. For all we know the marriage to just be between friends.

Ok, so they're either straight, bisixual or pansixual but that still leaves out homosixuality, which is a big deal to some people.

Not hard. Does that have to be where the story ends? Does the story have to be so straightforward?

But are there really so many people who act that way that they'd force developers to cater to them? And to be fair, if there were that many people who demanded their own priorities be catered to, wouldn't they be entitled to getting what they want, since they'd obviously be such a large (and profit-bringing) group?

In Fallout 3 i did not want to be a vault dweller nor to have my age predefined (your char have 18 y.o. in Fallout 3) but Bethesda insists for some reason in their Fallout series on predefined background of your char.

That's why.

And there is no game that has a CANON/START OFF AS homosixual character. It was always optional. Now that a marriage is stated in a TUTORIAL as happened, people are upset that they cannot have OPTIONAL content that we do not they can actually have or not. The marriage only means they were married, as said nothing about the orientation.

Plus, how to we EVEN KNOW that our marriage is going to play a serious major part in the main story?

Yes, that is where the story of your pre-war life ends, and the story of your post-war life begins.

Is it unreasonable to ask for the option to be gay to be present in my post-war life?

Last I checked, there is absolutely nothing stating whether you can or cannot. Which makes the whining about it rather pointless.

Apparently so, seriously all Bethesda needs to do is put in one option before the game, nothing hard or challenging just one option and a new voice actor and boom, done, no problem.

Is it unreasonable to ask for the option to be gay in the story about married male and female couple?

What do you think genius?

I have not. I have heard of Alice Hathaway Lee Roosevelt, his first wife, and Edith Roosevelt, his second, but I can find absolutely nothing about the existence of this third wife, Eleanor...

The question then becomes "Why is this damn baby so important that it needs to restrict the player's freedom?"

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Personally, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, Bethesda has the right to make the game they want to make, and that includes making a character you play as the character they want you to play as. Age, race, personality, looks, gender, religion, all of that can totally be dictated by Bethesda if they want to, and if they feel it better serves the story they want to tell, then they should probably do it.

That said.

I do think it's counter intuitive for a company like Bethesda, which uses its character creation as a selling point for their games, to not be as inclusive as they can. If the name of the game is make the character you want, it seems odd that sixual orientation is the thing that gets determined for you. And I don't see why people are bothered by the fact that this is an issue for some people. Going "It doesn't bother me so it doesn't shouldn't be an issue to you" just comes off as petty and childish, not to mention unable/unwilling to actually discuss the issue with the people who care about it.

I'm straight, but I've played as gay characters of both genders in the past, and I wouldn't have a problem with a game "forcing" me to play as a gay character because it serves the game's narrative, just like I don't mind having to play as a member of this couple if it serves the game's narrative.

For me, the question is less "Why can't I play a gay man or a lisbian from the start," but "Why do we have to be a married parent?" I'm not bothered by it. In fact, I'm definitely going to be playing as a woman first because the female Sole Survivor strikes me as inherently more interesting than the male one (not to mention her voice acting doesn't sound like a robot). But my question is what purpose do the spouse and baby serve? Are they just something to emotionally manipulate the player and make the character sad at the beginning because they died? If so, why not play as the child, or start the game at your sibling's wedding, with the nuptial bliss being interrupted by atomic warfare and everybody you know and love dying? If it has to be your child because the kid is going to be the antagonist in the end like some people are suspecting... That's a really lame twist.

As a writer, I'm less interested in the restrictions that Bethesda's placed on the player and more interested in what purpose those restrictions serve.

EXCEPT

Adoption exists, sperm donors exist, surrogates exist, numerous ways for a gay couple to have children EXISTS. There is literally no reason for it to be a male and female couple only.

http://www.biography.com/people/eleanor-roosevelt-9463366#!

From what i understand the story is about straight couple, deal with it.

Sorry but I won't and I will continue to voice my criticism. Literally nothing you can do about it.

Missed my point. The person came across as rude when they brought up Eleanor Roosevelt, wife of president Teddy Roosevelt. If someone's going to be like that, I think the least they can do is get the damn facts straight.

Elanor Roosevelt was the wife of Franklin D. Roosevelt, not Teddy.