I have noticed, in my 5 months on this forum, several RPs have been made, involving a post Oblivion Crises Ocato relation.

Some portray Ocato as some bad-a who wants to steal the crown from the Emperor, a devious dictator.

Others portray him as a man caring for the Empire, finding a new Emperor.



I just want to know, what your opinion on this, and why, especially you guys that portray Ocato as a dictator.

Also, at the moderators. The reason I have this in the fanfiction section is because I am asking about the RP's, why Ocato is like that in those RP's.

Hes a power-hungry fiend...but hes smart and uses infiltration, which is why he made it closer to the throne than Jagar, because he didn't take over the emperor's body, he is the emperor's advisor, so it is like he is the leader, telling him what is "smart"...

He's a politic. Politics are EVILLL!

I'm creating an RP along those lines (Ocato seizing power), so I guess that's close enough to what you're looking for, lol. I tend to think of him as a tyrant dictator based less on what we've seen of him in the game, and more on what I know of Roman history, and its parallels to the game. Ocato, like the pre-Augustus rulers of Rome, has the control but has not actually declared himself emperor, thereby maintaining the illusion that he is not seizing the empire when he is in fact its ruler. Plus, the idea of a noble servant of the empire holding but not actually controlling the empire sounds nice, but how often has it happened (as opposed to the power hungry guys taking over as soon as they get the chance)?

Heh, just read Noblesse Oblige to get my idea on the "government" in Oblivion. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he's a dictator in the sense that I don't see any of the emperors throughout TES history as dictators. I do, however, think he's smart. I think the Elder Council controls the emperor, and since Ocato controls the Elder Council, well... He does his job. He manages the affairs of the Empire so that the emperor doesn't have to bother with it. It isn't all that strange, no matter what history you look at.

I see it more like you Ambrose.

I just don't see him as some guy that would openly be like, "Hey, I am emperor, haha."

Yah, many RP's make Ocato a bad guy, but quite frankly i see him more a sa political figure who is put into a political situation where no matter what he does, he will look bad. He is the succesor of the most popular and powerful line of emporers ever. There is very little he can do to make himself to look good when compared to them.

Man, the poll results as of now are dead even....

The Empire divided! :intergalactic: :intergalactic: :gun:

I think Ocato is way overused. He is just one of the Elder Council. He cannot do anything without provoking resentment or scorn from others. I think that the Elder Council would be assembled in a way that he could not get to actual power. He is an administrator, a bureaucrat, not an evil mastermind, waiting to make his move. In game he was one of the few people who kept his wits calm when the Daedra attacked the Imperial City. I admire Ocato as a character.

I agree. If Ocato were to ascend to Emporer, he would probably attempt to fix the Empire, but the Daedric attack probably left him in a situation that no matter what he did he would be disliked. Just like Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression.

We are still dead even at 7.

HE just doesn'tt seem like a guy that would screw the empire, and I have seen I would say 10 RP's that portray him as Hitler...

Ocato must die under our feet! :gun:

Just kidding I only thoroughly dislike him.

I think that he's probably going to try and put back together the empire and epic fail at it and then the Hero of Skyrim will come and unite the leaders of the provinces or something along those lines... Thats just my opinion though. I think ocato probably wants more power but he cant get it.

Also why is everyone saying that the people hate him. Everyone loves him

I am breaking the tie, but not by choice. I choose the second option simply because it was the closest to my opinion, and the first option was very far from it.

I have portrayed Ocato only once in my history of Rping that I remember, and that was in Blood of the Ancients. I portrayed him like I think he is.

I do not see him as an evil dictator. Nor do I see him simply as a man trying to save the Empire and find a new emperor.

Ocato of Firsthold has been with the Emperor for a long time, first seen in the opening movie of Daggerfall lighting a torch with the palm of his hand. Then, he was a man sporting a goatee (which looked totally awesome) but with poor firelight one can surmise he still could have been a pale Altmer, and the real film of the cutscene meant they couldn't exactly use an actual Altmer Then he stood stoic and wise beside his Emperor.

In Oblivion, however, I personally saw him as a mer troubled with responsibility and stress. His Emperor and the heirs were suddenly found dead; an Emperor he served closely with for many years. He is now a man seeking to gain control over an empire crumbling without an Emperor and buckling under the throes of the Oblivion Crisis. He had the responsibilities of being the Adviser and Head Councilman for the Council, but now he was forced to also be the Empire's spokesperson in the midst of a crisis. There was likely emotional stress involved in this.

So I don't see him as a man trying to take over power and become a dictator. I see him as a man forced into the position of power, forced to be pseudo emperor. And as such, he is trying to continue the legacy his Emperor had, trying to keep the Empire he served stable. After Martin's death, he has likely given up hope of another Emperor arriving, so now has the stress of instating new government upon the Empire, while trying to keep it all intact. He does enjoy the power, I wager. he would probably take the offer to be Emperor.

Best post on the thread, in my opinion. Ocato probably is emotionally troubled.

FC4 is right. He isn't a dictator, because the Empire is screwed, but then again, he can't be this happy guy either. After all, the Nords are warring with the Orcs. The Altmer, his own race, are boycotting, the Hero of Morrowind has disappeared, and the Morrowind guys are really screwed because of Vivec getting captured, supposedly.

The really only good thing in the Empire is that slavery has been abolished in Morrowind, which really pisses the Dres off, and in a way, that is bad.

He seemed to be stressed in Oblivion, but I imagine that after the Oblivion Crisis ended, some of it must have been relieved.

I think that although he doesn't seem very altruistic to me, I imagine that he is quite sick of office, and if anything wants less power and responsibility, not more.

He's an altmer..... not much to add to that, they all want power and riches and magic mushrooms

That is so demeaning to my favorite race I cant even begin to argue

Power makes most people alittle off, they get a taste and want more. By the time its required to be handed over most people wont. They like the control. Ocato, as nice as he may seem would have alittle issue with this. As would the whole council considering that they are the ruling power now.

My Ocato was more neutral, until he was killed off by the Champion of Cyrodiil for being an Elf (only got two others so it svcked...bad)

evil dictator. Thats why he only gave me some [censored] armour at the end of the oblivion quest. Tosser.

I see Ocato in a similar way to FC4. In my opinion Ocato is not evil; just stressed and tired. Yes it may seem like he's looking for power but without an Emperor does he have much choice? He does what is best for the Empire and Tamriel in my view. Not what is best for himself.

In my RP Ocato made an appearance. I tried to potray him as a good man, trying to help out. However I tried to make him seem stressed and kind of moody at times, if not a little bit fake. But overall I don't think he is a bad guy at all.

FC4 basically conveyed what ive thought of Ocato as. I dont thinkit would make sense for him to go evil, especially considerin his actions during all the crisises during his reign as head of the Elder Council.

It is inconceivable to any Altmer that something could happen in which they are not involved. Ocato seeks to make this idea even more inconceivable.

And in response to someone's mention of him being unwilling to give away the power, I forgot to say what I thought of that. No, he wouldn't resign his power, partly because he wants it, but also because he would likely feel that only he, who has served under the Emperor himself, would be capable of properly leading the Empire in the way Uriel would have wanted. He'd likely worry that no one else could handle the position better.

Plus, he'd probably feel the way I did my first sunday without a job, after two years of employment. Unsure what to do with himself. He'd have all this time and carefree opportunity, but he'd start worrying about what he would do with it. It'd drive him more insane to relinquish his power!