General Oblivion Questions-New to the game : IV

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:17 pm

Hey everyone thanks for taking the time to read my thread. It has been a long and I mean LONG time since I have really sat down and played Oblivion and I was wondering a few things I have noticed while playing...

Do the random crashes happen often? Or should there be any random crashes at all? I noticed a few times while adventuring ill begin to approach a city and boom! the game will crash to desktop...(-_-) quite irritating.

Are there any broken quests that I should be aware of before I start them? LOL I was doing the quest (In Cheydinhal I believe) and I was supposed to meet the guard at the local inn but he never showed even when my quest arrow was directing me there.

What is a good Difficulty setting for a new player as a thief/assassin? I say new player because I may as well be one. I people say tweak it and what not but I am trying to find a setting where arrows on sneak attack with a damage health potion could kill a weaker enemy with a single blow but nothing less than that. If that makes sense >_<

Can you buy horses? I can't seem to buy horses maybe I am just doing it wrong?

Why do my settings reset after restart? In my video options I want to set the distances of everything on max but when I restart the game the settings restart as well.

Bloom or HDR? Whats the difference and which is best in your opinion?

Is there a way to yield? What I mean by this is give up fighting or have someone you may have accidentally attacked stop attacking you? Also if possible stop them from ratting you out if you accidentally pick up that damn fork? (silverware)

Should I go through a certain part of the main quest before I do other quests? I don't want to level to much and not be able to get through the plot because I hear the mobs level with you >_< (Dumb idea imo)

That is all I can think of for now I appreciate your time and responses everyone ^_^ Thanks again and if there are any other tips that can help a newbie out I would greatly appreciate it.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:50 pm

Hey everyone thanks for taking the time to read my thread. It has been a long and I mean LONG time since I have really sat down and played Oblivion and I was wondering a few things I have noticed while playing...

Do the random crashes happen often? Or should there be any random crashes at all? I noticed a few times while adventuring ill begin to approach a city and boom! the game will crash to desktop...(-_-) quite irritating.
I can only speak for PS3 and Xbox, but there are a few random crashes, nothing bad
Are there any broken quests that I should be aware of before I start them? LOL I was doing the quest (In Cheydinhal I believe) and I was supposed to meet the guard at the local inn but he never showed even when my quest arrow was directing me there.
Hmm, there are a few glitches, but none that I can memorably speak of
What is a good Difficulty setting for a new player as a thief/assassin? I say new player because I may as well be one. I people say tweak it and what not but I am trying to find a setting where arrows on sneak attack with a damage health potion could kill a weaker enemy with a single blow but nothing less than that. If that makes sense >_<
Keep it on normal, or perhaps a bit lower
Can you buy horses? I can't seem to buy horses maybe I am just doing it wrong?
You can, at specific stables outside of each town, but the IC. You need money for it, 500 septims minimum to buy the worst breed
Why do my settings reset after restart? In my video options I want to set the distances of everything on max but when I restart the game the settings restart as well.
Can't answer for this, as I only play on consoles
Bloom or HDR? Whats the difference and which is best in your opinion?
Same as above
Is there a way to yield? What I mean by this is give up fighting or have someone you may have accidentally attacked stop attacking you? Also if possible stop them from ratting you out if you accidentally pick up that damn fork? (silverware)
It's possible to yield if the person your fighting likes you enough. Just hold the block button, and press the talk button while blocking. It'll let you know if it worked. And unfortunately, thanks to psychic guards, it's impossible, usually

Should I go through a certain part of the main quest before I do other quests? I don't want to level to much and not be able to get through the plot because I hear the mobs level with you >_< (Dumb idea imo)
Pick your own pace...the MQ will definatley be harder if you attempt it at later levels, or easier depending if you've been upgrading your gear and keeping skills up

That is all I can think of for now I appreciate your time and responses everyone ^_^ Thanks again and if there are any other tips that can help a newbie out I would greatly appreciate it.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:24 am

Assuming you're on PC and not using any mods, your game shouldn't crash very often, but it's bound to happen a couple of times at the very least. It's a PC game with a LOT going on.

Quests can break but there aren't any that are a 100% guarantee to break (except, maybe, the Cure for Vampirism quest, which is the buggiest thing in the game, but even that isn't 100%) If you're on the PC and it DOES bug out then you'll have a ton of options as to how to fix it.

The best difficulty setting is the dead center. Don't move it and you'll be fine. If you find yourself overly challenged, move the slider a little to the left. If it's all too easy, move it a little to the right. I very rarely use bows and arrows so I couldn't really help you there.

You can buy horses. Go to any of the stables outside of the major cities, go inside, and talk to the people there. They'll sell you horses, but they aren't cheap.

Open the game, change the settings, close the game. If the game crashes when you close it or before you close it, the settings won't save when you reload.

Block + Activate is yield. It'll only work if the person you're fighting has a high enough disposition toward you. It does not work on any creature.

No, leveling won't really hurt you as far as the order in which you do quests go. Just go out and do whatever you want whenever you want. The leveling system IS kind of dumb, unfortunately.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:46 pm

Hey everyone thanks for taking the time to read my thread. It has been a long and I mean LONG time since I have really sat down and played Oblivion and I was wondering a few things I have noticed while playing...

Do the random crashes happen often? Or should there be any random crashes at all? I noticed a few times while adventuring ill begin to approach a city and boom! the game will crash to desktop...(-_-) quite irritating.

I'm a console player myself, on a PS3. My games rarely crash...I'd say maybe once a month (an Earth month not a game month) my game will freeze up or glitch out, and I'll have to restart it.

It happens rarely though.

You're on the PC? I'm assuming since you mentioned "desktop" the answer is "yes". I'm no expert but if your game crashes frequently on the PC, it probably has something to do with the hardware or system you're using or something. I'm no expert (or even an amateur) here, but there are plenty who know this sort of stuff.

Can you be more specific with the system you're using?

Are there any broken quests that I should be aware of before I start them? LOL I was doing the quest (In Cheydinhal I believe) and I was supposed to meet the guard at the local inn but he never showed even when my quest arrow was directing me there.

Weird little stuff like this happens here and there. It's been a long time since I've used the arrow system, but what color was the arrow? If it's green, that means the guard should have been in that room or area. If it's red, the guard will not be in that immediate room or area, but the arrow will tell you which way to go.

What is a good Difficulty setting for a new player as a thief/assassin? I say new player because I may as well be one. I people say tweak it and what not but I am trying to find a setting where arrows on sneak attack with a damage health potion could kill a weaker enemy with a single blow but nothing less than that. If that makes sense >_<

I assume you're talking about the difficulty slider? This is really a preference for your gaming style. I always have my slider right in the middle (default), no matter which character I'm with. But there are others here who move it around and stuff.

Can you buy horses? I can't seem to buy horses maybe I am just doing it wrong?

Go inside the stable and talk to Tovas. Lol. Hmmm...you should be able to just go in the little shack outside of any city and just buy one. :confused: There's only one stable packed with horses that doesn't actulaly sell them, and that's outside the Imperial City. Not sure why you're having trouble here...

Why do my settings reset after restart? In my video options I want to set the distances of everything on max but when I restart the game the settings restart as well.

I'm betting this is a PC issue...can't help

Bloom or HDR? Whats the difference and which is best in your opinion?

...no idea what this is.

Is there a way to yield? What I mean by this is give up fighting or have someone you may have accidentally attacked stop attacking you? Also if possible stop them from ratting you out if you accidentally pick up that damn fork? (silverware)

Yes you can yield, but it takes practice.. The person who is attacking you has to actually like you for best results.

But what you do is hold whatever button or key you're using for BLOCK.. Let the NPC attack you and keep pressing BLOCK while also pressing ACTIVATE. Eventually (assuming the NPC likes you enough) the attack will stop. But I've had a few attacks which went on and on while I yielded! At some point, you've either gotta run or kill the NPC if they refuse to honor your yield.

Should I go through a certain part of the main quest before I do other quests? I don't want to level to much and not be able to get through the plot because I hear the mobs level with you >_< (Dumb idea imo)

...totally a personal preference. I didn't even start the Main Quest until last year, and didn't finish it until this year. There's a million ways to play Oblivion. If you don't like the fact that the entire world levels up with you and stuff, there are ways to get around this, vanilla game or PC (mods). Just ask if you're curious.

That is all I can think of for now I appreciate your time and responses everyone ^_^ Thanks again and if there are any other tips that can help a newbie out I would greatly appreciate it.

Cool. I get to give my first fishie stick in awhile.

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:27 am

Thanks Everyone for you help and information. Yes I forgot to state I am using the PC version and GOTY sorry >_< My system specs are as follows and let me know if you need other information

Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64bit
AMD Athlon™ 7750 Dual-Core Processor 2.70 GHz
RAM 4 GB
Video Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:56 pm

Do the random crashes happen often? Or should there be any random crashes at all? I noticed a few times while adventuring ill begin to approach a city and boom! the game will crash to desktop...(-_-) quite irritating.

You can try:

reducing your overclock speed
using the 4GB exe loader
installing the Oblivion Crash Prevention System mod and/or Fast Exit mod

I am trying to find a setting where arrows on sneak attack with a damage health potion could kill a weaker enemy with a single blow but nothing less than that. If that makes sense >_<

I highly recommend Duke Patrick's SCA Combat Archery mod. This really improves the ranged combat experience and allows you to kill enemies in one blow with arrows, but also makes enemy archers much more powerful
http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/514-duke-patricks-combat-archery/

Bloom or HDR? Whats the difference and which is best in your opinion?

I like HDR, but really there is no way to compare vanilla Oblivion with heavily modded Oblivion with such graphics/beauty enhancing mods as;

OBGEv2
ENBSeries Shaders (SSAO)
Qarl's Hi Res Texture Pack
Unique Landscapes
Bananasplit's Better Cities
HGEC Body Replacer
Elaborate Eyes
Tamriel NPCs Revamped (finally all the NPCs will no longer look ugly)
Ren's Beauty Pack

Examples of gameplay or screens with graphics mods

http://youtu.be/sndIC1bK4CY?hd=1

http://youtu.be/Z4G0de770YA?hd=1

http://youtu.be/5l1jZRbkl0k?hd=1

http://youtu.be/SHjC6_61kg4?hd=1

http://youtu.be/as6aqZHDYRU?hd=1

http://wolf3d.darkbb.com/t2037-oblivion-mods-to-make-oblivion-look-better

Should I go through a certain part of the main quest before I do other quests? I don't want to level to much and not be able to get through the plot because I hear the mobs level with you >_< (Dumb idea imo)

Personally I always put off the main quest, in fact during my most recent playthrough I have played for a few hundred hours without even starting the main quest.

The main quest has nothing to do with leveling. You level up by doing in-game activities related to your major skills. There is no XP in this game.

The following mods also help improve the balance and level scaling problem:

Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
Martigen's Monster Mod
Francesco's
FCOM
Enhanced Economy

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1184986-essential-mods/page__view__findpost__p__17600454

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:18 pm

What is a good Difficulty setting for a new player as a thief/assassin? I say new player because I may as well be one. I people say tweak it and what not but I am trying to find a setting where arrows on sneak attack with a damage health potion could kill a weaker enemy with a single blow but nothing less than that. If that makes sense >_<

The middle third of the scale would give you the most "realistic" results. It gets pretty silly any further from the middle than that.

Why do my settings reset after restart? In my video options I want to set the distances of everything on max but when I restart the game the settings restart as well.

If your game crashes on exit, or quits abnormally, the options you've set don't get written to the ini. After you change settings, open the console (the tilde key, above the tab) and type saveini (and the enter key); this forces the game to write to the ini.

Bloom or HDR? Whats the difference and which is best in your opinion?

Depends. You need HDR for some mods, and it does better light effects. But it doesn't work with in-game antialiasing.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:25 pm

Wow thanks for all the help everyone I definitely want to look into those graphics mods too lol hopefully I dont screw up the game like I always do with mods >_<

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:39 pm

Wow thanks for all the help everyone I definitely want to look into those graphics mods too lol hopefully I dont screw up the game like I always do with mods >_<

Once you figure out a list of the mods you want to use, you might want to post on here (in the mod section) to get some feedback to make sure they are compatible with each other and you are following the installation steps in the right order. It took me a while to get my mods properly installed and I wouldn't have been able to do it without help and advice of some fellow forum members.

Some of the mods will benefit from or even require utilities like OBSE, BOSS, Wrye Bash, COBL

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:24 pm

Umm I have a question I installed a mod called Elaborate Eyes and it turned all the citizens eyes black instead of what it was supposed to do >_< is there a way I can get the originals back without having to reinstall?

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:55 pm

Umm I have a question I installed a mod called Elaborate Eyes and it turned all the citizens eyes black instead of what it was supposed to do >_< is there a way I can get the originals back without having to reinstall?

I recommend that you don't use Elaborate Eyes instead remove that mod

I'm gonna make this a long post

Random crashes happen quite often if you have a lot of mods or if your game isn't patched.

As far as I'm concerned about the quests and all I'm gonna give you 3 links for 3 mods that you want to take

Also tell me if you are running any DLC's any official plugins like Shivering Isles, Knights of the Nine,..

You shoul keep the difficulty setting at middle since its quite easy either way however, the problem is damage there isn't enough damage in the game for you to be able to one-shot a person at most levels, increasing the difficulty bar will decrease your damage and increase the enemies damage, opposite goes for the other side
You would probably want to play the game trough completely before you add any mods.

You can buy horses at the local stables and each costs a considerate amount

I don't know if your game crashes after you exit thats probably the reason, try patching then changing the settings, also if you can't fix this do it in the oblivion.INI file

HDR in my opinion is much better however you may want to reduce the brightness a lot

Yielding hold block then press your use/activate key

I always leveled up before doing the main quest since I didn't want to fight scamps trough the whole main quest and killing the final boss with a rusty iron sword

The mods that you MUST download are Common Oblivion http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21104 , Unofficial Oblivion Patch http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296 and Wrye Bash which might be a little complicated to use but after a short while you will understand everything and you also want to read about every one of these mods also Wrye Bash is more like a program http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368

I hope this helps if you run into a problem you can post it here or private message me I'll do whatever I can to help you

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:21 am

If you play the vanilla game there are some things to look out for.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Mystery_at_Harlun%27s_Watch

The bug in this quest can make the entire fighters guild quest line unfinishable.
DO NOT enter the swampy cave before you are at the relevant quest stage.

There is a bug with the cure for vampirism quest that makes it unfinishable after you have completed the main quest.
You must do so before.

A slightly rarer but still gamebreaking bug is when the infamy of the cowl of nocturnal gets permanently transferred to your character. DO NOT use useful glitches such as scroll duplication or permanent bound items while wearing the cowl.

Thats all I can think of atm.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:36 pm

Umm I have a question I installed a mod called Elaborate Eyes and it turned all the citizens eyes black instead of what it was supposed to do >_< is there a way I can get the originals back without having to reinstall?

It seems that you have some conflicting meshes for the eyes.

Can you list all the mods you have currently installed? Is that the only one?

A lot of mods conflict with one another and it's very helpful, sometimes necessary to use the Wrye Bash utility to resolve these kinds of conflicts.

Going forward, before installing new mods, I would suggest to make a list of all the ones you want to install and post it in the mod section to get some feedback on your installation plan.

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:07 am

ohh okay thanks I may have to try this again >_< If you don't mind can someone please explain wryebash I don't think I am understanding its purpose or what I am supposed to do exactly with it. >_< Thank you

EDIT: NVM about helping me with Bash I found a couple tutorials. I hate to ask but does anyone know of a list of compatible mods that go well with oblivion. All these programs I just don't understand lol >_<

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:24 am

Random crashes may happen from time to time, but they shouldn't happen often.

Since you have Game of the Year edition you should be patched up to date, but many still would recommend the Unofficial Oblivion Patch. Fixes many bugs still left behind by Bethesda.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296

I would recommend leaving the difficulty slider at default (50%). Just don't forget to use all Oblivion resources at your character's disposal (like stocking up on health potions, etc).

You can't buy horses from the Imperial City horse stables but the other major city horse stables sell horses. Certain types of horses you can only buy at certain stables (like the white horse at Anvil's stables). Prices range from 500-5000 septims.

Your settings probably reset after restart because your game keeps crashing before it can exit properly. Glargg's suggestion is a better one, but you could also try and load the game without loading any saves, adjust the settings you want, and then promptly exit, hoping that your game doesn't crash on exit.

Some people don't like HDR lighting because it's too bright and all the light sources, but I don't like Bloom lighting because it seems to give everything an artificial shine. I prefer HDR.

To yield, hold your block button and then press your activate button while facing the NPC you want to yield to. Unfortunately there is no real way to avoid guards chasing after you, after you accidentally "steal" an item. Best would probably be to pay the fine since odds are that the item you accidentally picked up are worthless anyway and therefore the fine should be minimal. There are other means of getting out of such situations, but cannot be discussed in the Oblivion General forums, since they may be considered spoilers.

Do the quests in whichever order you please. For leveling too fast, there are a few remedies including using mods that slow down the leveling process. I can't think of any more off hand.

Wrye Bash can be complicated to install. It also comes with plenty of added features when you may simply, only want a mod manager.
I use Oblivion Mod Manager.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097

You also may wish to read this article. Oblivion Mods FAQ. Particularly on the part of how mods get installed and getting to know Oblivion's ~~directory~~ folder structure.
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/449239-oblivion-mods-faq/

Edit: Forgot to provide a link to the Unofficial Oblivion Patch.

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:09 am

I hate to ask but does anyone know of a list of compatible mods that go well with oblivion. All these programs I just don't understand lol >_<

I totally sympathize. I was exactly in your situation about 6 months ago. The answer to your question is that basically almost all of the mods available today can be made to work together with some TLC. (with a couple of exceptions)

Some mods access the same textures or game assets and sometimes this causes a problem (like googly eyes or black eyes), missing textures and buildings, or even in some cases prevents the game from starting. The load order and installation process can also affect this.

Wrye Bash is a great program that allows you to customize which among some conflicting elements do you want to take priority by integrating all these things together in a "Bashed Patch" that is created by Wrye Bash and included as the last data file or close to the last data file that gets loaded when you start the game.

The best thing to do is make a list of all of the mods you want to use and get some feedback on the installation process.

Some of the overhaul mods like Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul, Martigen's Monster Mod, Francesco's Leveled Lists, obviously conflict with each other, but a separate mod was created, called FCOM, which allows you to install all of these together. However, they must be installed in a certain order (and also need Wrye Bash in order to work properly).

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:16 pm

I totally sympathize. I was exactly in your situation about 6 months ago. The answer to your question is that basically almost all of the mods available today can be made to work together with some TLC. (with a couple of exceptions)

Some mods access the same textures or game assets and sometimes this causes a problem (like googly eyes or black eyes), missing textures and buildings, or even in some cases prevents the game from starting. The load order and installation process can also affect this.

Wrye Bash is a great program that allows you to customize which among some conflicting elements do you want to take priority by integrating all these things together in a "Bashed Patch" that is created by Wrye Bash and included as the last data file or close to the last data file that gets loaded when you start the game.

The best thing to do is make a list of all of the mods you want to use and get some feedback on the installation process.

Some of the overhaul mods like Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul, Martigen's Monster Mod, Francesco's Leveled Lists, obviously conflict with each other, but a separate mod was created, called FCOM, which allows you to install all of these together. However, they must be installed in a certain order (and also need Wrye Bash in order to work properly).

Thank you for that info, Yes this program is very threatening at first glance >_< How do you create a bashpatch I notice a lot of the help sites say to combine blah blah with yadda yadda with bashpatch but it doesnt tell me how to do it >_<

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:59 am

I have been waiting patiently for this question from you,
From the Wrye Bash Mods tab left click on your Bashed Patch and select the "Rebuild Patch" - this will bring the Update Bashed Patch ,0.esp box onto your Wrye Bash .
In the section Merge Patches - place a check in this section, and place a check in all of the mods inside this section. All of the green mods in your Load Order should be inside the Mergable Mods.
Do not place a check in the Replace Form IDs section, unless you are using a mod like Tamriellic Ingredients, or the P1D candles mod.
Import Actors - Check every mod in the section, and then place a check on the Import Actors.
All the rest of the Import Categories are the same until You get to Import Names. In the Import Names place checks in the mods you have in Your Load Order, but you can also check Rational Names, I have been using this one for over two years myself, this adds names to Prior Maborels Horse and other animals and NPC's in the Vanilla game.
Import Relations - If you have a mod in your Load Order in the Source Mods/Files then place checks in front of the mods and place a check on the section.
Globals - This section is where you can adjust some values in the game, You do not need to place a check in this section unless you need to apply an alternate timescale, or wish to edit one of the values.
Tweak Actors - this section can cause an instant CTD if you place a check in Mayu's Animation Overhaul Skeleton Tweaker if you do not have the mod in your Load Order, I always check the Irresponsible Creatures and the Quiet Feet in this section of my Bashed Patch.
Tweaks Assorted - This section can cause you some issues, the All Armor Playable and All Clothing Playable sound like great Tweaks, but they may cause a CTD if checked. I always use the Amor Shows Amulets, Armor Shows Rings, Clothing Shows Amulets, Clothing Shows Rings, Nvidia Fog Fix, and the Right Hand Rings Tweaks.
Tweak Clothes - This section is totally optional, I use The Gloves Show Rings and the Robes Show Amulets Tweaks-read the comments as you flag over specific Tweaks!
Tweak Names - I only use The Lore Friendly Names: Dwarven->Dwemer Tweak.
Tweak Settings - I recommend using the Horse Turning Speed Tweak with a value of [x 1.5], and placing a check in the UOP Vampire and Aging Face Fix, so you can free up one esp slot.
Cobl Catalogs - If you have Cobl then place a check in this section.
Contents Checker - If you have a mod that adds or changes levelled lists-OOO is an example- then place a check in this section.
Levelled Lists - place a check in this section, but let Wrye Bash handle the list selections.
Morph Factions - leave this section unchecked, I have used Wrye Morph, but I van not recommend it as a mod for someone newer to a modded Oblivion.
Power Exhaustion - Leave this section unchecked unless you have a mod that uses this feature.
Race Records - Place a check in this section and place a check in every esp in the list, unless a readme file tells you not to.
SE World Tests - I played with this section unchecked for a very long time, but I have begun checking it every time because people who do know more than me have recommended doing it-see the last link in my signature.
Some mods like FCOM have specific settings for a Bashed Patch, and the rules for thes mods are covered in the release threads, the description pages on the downloading sites, and in readme files.
Do Not Place a check in a section if you do not have any options in the subsection, this can cause a very hard to diagnose CTD.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:43 pm

one more piece of advice regarding Wyre Bash that I would add to bradley's excellent and detailed guide...

if this is a Steam installation, you will need to use your text editor to correct the default file paths in the file called "bash_default.ini" - then save the file as bash.ini

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:37 pm

Oh Wow! Thanks for the guide ^_^ lol I like how you said you were waiting patiently for me to ask haha guess you saw that coming from a mile away huh? But really thanks I get to try and learn this now with at least some idea of what I am doing

and no thankfully I am not running the steam version. I wont go into detail but I am not a fan of steam lol

Edit: LOL Ok problem...I made the bash patch but now my game crashes on startup....am I supposed to deactivate the other mods? and some of them have a + and a * on them what does that mean?

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:48 pm

Post your load order list let me take a look at it.
Also I have a feeling that people don't read what I post...

» Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:26 am

This is my mod list

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm04  Hear-Me-Not.esm  [Version 1.02]05  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]06  GTAesgaard_2.esm07  Windfall.esm08  GTAesgaard.esp09  za_bankmod.esp0A  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0B  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]10  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]11  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]12  WindowLightingSystem.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]13  Streamline 3.1.esp14  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]15  DLCHorseArmor.esp16  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]17  DLCOrrery.esp18  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]19  DLCVileLair.esp1A  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1B  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1C  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1D  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]1E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1F  DLCThievesDen.esp20  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]21  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]22  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]23  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]24  TIE.esp  [Version 1.45]25  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp  [Version 3.1]26  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 4.71]27  Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch - Natural.esp28  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]29  BrotherhoodRenewed - Oblivion XP Patch.esp2A  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 1.1]2B  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp2C  Kvatch Rebuilt - Oblivion XP Patch.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp2D  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp2E  MushroomManorCobl.esp2F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp30  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  DLCFrostcrag.esp32  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]33  Knights.esp34  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]35  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp36  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.9]37  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.7]38  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.2]39  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]3A  Frostcrag Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]3B  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]3C  Better Abandoned House.esp3D  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp3E  PTSneakPenalties.esp3F  Sneaking Detection Recalibrated.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]40  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]41  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp42  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]43  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]44  GTAesgaard_2.esp45  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]46  TamrielTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]47  TamrielTravellersFactionAll.esp  [Version 1.39c]48  TamrielTravellersItemsUnscaled.esp  [Version 1.39c]49  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]4A  Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp  [Version 1.0]4B  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp4C  Windfall.esp4D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]4E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]4F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]50  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]51  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]52  Rainbows.esp53  The Lost Spires.esp54  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]55  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp56  Hear-Me-Not.esp  [Version 1.02]57  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm----> MISSING MASTER: P1DcandlesForKleptos.esp58  Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:59 pm

Sorry for the double post but it wont let me edit my original >_< I have looked at a ton of so called tutorials for these utilities and just cannot seem to understand it. (WryeBash, OBMM etc) is there a dumbed down tutorial out there for us who have no real knowledge of the programs?

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:37 pm

The first link in my signature is a very good site to start out with, Do not look at the second link until you become more experienced in adding mods, I am not being offensive, but FCOM is a very difficult setup to install and run just by itself.
The third link is to the release thread of Alt3rn1ties guides - the thread has links to TES Alliance and TESNexus for the actual guides, they are fairly easy to follow.
Your BOSS log is telling you what the problems are. I specifically mentioned not placing a check in the candle mod when you built your Bashed Patch. The OOO and Oblivion XP patches for Kvatch Rebuilt and The Thieves Den-SSSB patche are unecessary for your install, since you have dropped OOO, and you do not have Oblivion XP installed.

» Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:09 pm

Ohhh okay thank you ^_^ and no I did not take it offensively lol I believe you when you say they are difficult to install just from the experience I am having now with simpler mods. I appreciate all your help and thank you for the links ^_^