General Warhaft

Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:44 am

What happened to General Warhaft? He was one of my favourite characters.

He never is mentioned after Arena, except for in the two Manuals. He seems to have been replaced by Adamus in Oblivion.

So, where the Hell is General Warhaft? Did he die? Did the developers just forget him? What is he up to?
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Lily Evans
 
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:07 pm

He might return someday, who knows?

I believe I haven't found anything about him in any game after Arena either so, well he might be dead or he maybe went old and retired?
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:15 pm

What happened to General Warhaft? He was one of my favourite characters.

He never is mentioned after Arena, except for in the two Manuals. He seems to have been replaced by Adamus in Oblivion.

So, where the Hell is General Warhaft? Did he die? Did the developers just forget him? What is he up to?


Probably in the same place as the Elder Council, the Imperial Legions and other characters that have no relevance to the plot. :)

Adamus was a Commander btw, not a General.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:00 pm

I know that, but Adamus seems to be the leader of the Legion (notice that he sits at the front desk in the Legion headquarters), and not Warhaft, who, if I remember correctly, was the leader before.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:44 pm

You'd think that being a general isn't exactly a desk job. :P

Adamus doesn't seem to command the legions - in fact, there aren't any at all! His immediate subordinate is Captain Hernonimous Lex, captain of the Watch. So they're both low on the totem pole.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:39 pm

He's the skeleton in Fort Irony.
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Chrissie Pillinger
 
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:55 pm

He's the skeleton in Fort Irony.


Yeah. He was turning in his office chair and probably got so engrossed in Whorl of Warhaft, that he forgot to eat...
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:59 am

He wasn't exactly a spring chicken at the end of Arena either, who knows.
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Emily Graham
 
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:42 pm

Did I just see a post about WoW in here? :P

He's the skeleton in Fort Irony.


:D
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:32 am

He wasn't exactly a spring chicken at the end of Arena either, who knows.

Yeah, well Uriel looked even older (he has white hair, Warhaft's seems to be just going grey), and he managed to survive four games, and when he did die it wasn't natural causes. So if you're implying Warhaft might of died of old age, I doubt it.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:38 pm

Yeah, well Uriel looked even older (he has white hair, Warhaft's seems to be just going grey)

On a completely different and irrelevant tangent, what's with his hair? First it's there, then it's not, then it's longer than ever...
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:07 pm

On a completely different and irrelevant tangent, what's with his hair? First it's there, then it's not, then it's longer than ever...

He's wearing a wig
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:30 pm

Interestingly, Ocato's hair seems to have this working in reverse. First it's not there, and he has a soul patch, then it's there and he's clean shaven. If he follows Uriel's example, the next time we see him, he'll be balder than ever.

Maybe he got a hair transplant and his beard was the donor.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:54 am

Well, Uriel Septim was 43 when he was betrayed by Jagar Tharn and according to canon the entire game of Arena took ten years, so he was 53 at the end of Arena.

Still, he looked much younger in Daggerfall (if not balder), and then he was absent during Morrowind (probably out wig-shopping). Of course maybe I just attribute him to looking younger in Daggerfall due to it being hard to compare the ages of a human actor and a 256 color portrait, but still.

By the way, there's one thing I don't get. The introduction to Arena says that "Uriel Septim VII stands with Talin, leader of the Imperial guards" when the fellow in the image is most definitely General Warhaft. My original assumption was even though the introduction shows them both being attacked by Tharn, only Uriel was sent to Oblivion and this "Talin" was locked up in the Imperial dungeons - after all, according to canon, the hero of Arena was Talin. However, then we find General Warhaft rescued from Oblivion (at least in the floppy disk ending) and he looks just like Talin does in the introduction. Are Talin and General Warhaft identical twins? Just which one of them WAS imprisoned in Oblivion? Should the whole remark about "Talin" in the TES: Arena manual be disregarded?

Oh, and not to mention the character creation quiz points out that Talin's father is Talen. Way to go Bethesda, way to screw with our minds. -_-
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:09 pm

Well, since you make and name the character yourself, I wouldn't say Talin is you. So, maybe Talin was first imprisoned in the dungeons, only to be sent to Oblivion later. And, perhaps, Warhaft's full name is General Talin Warhaft....

Wild Mass Guessing, yay!
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:04 am

And, perhaps, Warhaft's full name is General Talin Warhaft....

:stare:

The TVTropes Wiki needs a WMG section for The Elder Scrolls.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:26 am

...What is that look for?
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:25 pm

Wild Mass Guessing -- conspiracy theories.

Warhaft was definitely sleeping through the Oblivion Crisis while being locked in the same dusty closet as the Elder Council, the Colovians, the Nibenay, Calaxes, the Septim doppelgangers, and the plot.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:49 am

Warhaft was mentioned after Arena. Small bit, pre-OBL.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:08 pm

Interestingly, Ocato's hair seems to have this working in reverse. First it's not there, and he has a soul patch, then it's there and he's clean shaven. If he follows Uriel's example, the next time we see him, he'll be balder than ever.

Maybe he got a hair transplant and his beard was the donor.


I had a theory about Ocato and his hairstyle a while back.

Perhaps before becoming Chancellor he played more of a military role, actively training new Battlemages in the arts of war, and thus sported an appropriate shaven head for such activity, but once he became Chancellor he grew it out for a more diplomatic appearance.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:10 pm

He commissioned manual of arms, an Oblivion book.

Perhaps he was busy writing his autobiography during the assassination? He may have found some peaceful room to ponder, locked it, and forgot where he put the key. Yes, that must be it, a book deal.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:43 pm

Warhaft was mentioned after Arena. Small bit, pre-OBL.


pre-Morrowind as well, unless there is something else...
From this: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/forum.shtml

Nohept dir'Kamal : Source of Chaos- Serious Scholars Only

My dear General Warhaft,

I found this particular passage among the papers of the Tharnatos.

"...appropriately, Padomay is just as ineffable an entity as Anu. This is how the Psijiic Order treats him, at least. His original (Aldmeris? Ehlnofex?) name is PSJJJJ, which is and was meant to be unpronounceable. The Order was founded and organized to divine Padomay's eternal and ever-changing mystery. "Sithis" is a corruption of "Psijii" which, in turn, was a derivation of the high concept PSJJJJ. Sithis was born when a nihilist sect of the already doom-ridden Chimeri merged (under Mephala's tutelage) Daedric elements with the Inexpressible Action that was Padomay. In essence they began to revere Padomay's Chaos nature (as opposed to that of Anu, who is Order), and over the years degenerated into a thuggish mystery-cult which wanted to "murder the world." The Dark Brotherhood was born in these times-- which, in Morrowind, is known as the Morag Tong. Some of the higher-level Morag Tong maintain that they predate the Dark Brotherhood (more evidence of this later). That, in fact, they are an organization devoted to playing out the eternal interplay of Nir. Assassination, they say, is the purest celebration of joy or living. Whatever the case, the Padomay of Morrowind (and isolated Dark Brotherhood sects) is not the Padomay of Artaeum...."

Does this help your investigation at all? Are all the simulacra accounted for?

Ever your servant, Nd'K Cult of the Ancestor-Moth

Lady Enigma : Information taking in, routed, and distributed to nearly any sector that could make anything of it. I cant believe that I understood most of it. The main lesson learned is that the Morag Tong, are some BAD mothers, and you should kiss their boot anytime you can, tee hee hee.

Lady Enigma

General Warhaft :

Elder Nohept,

These scholarly conundrums are outside my expertise, I'm afraid. I have uncovered nothing explicitly tying the Morag Tong to Tharnatos, but my suspicions grow stonger. They have long been given wide latitude here, rationalized as "non-interference in local customs". You would be amazed at what is permitted here. But I digress. The Tong are difficult to infiltrate or investigate quietly, as they are insular and extremely paranoid. Beyond the obvious link of the Staff to House Redoran (which has turned out to be nothing more than local scheming -- they knew nothing of the larger picture, as I thought), my agents have turned up only rumor and hearsay.

As for the simulacra, at last report the Blades were on the trail of the last three. I continue to hope that one of the nephews may have avoided the fate, and flees now from rumor of a purge. But I must say that Andrial is less optimistic, and knowing Tharnatos' thoroughness in other matters, I fear she is right. There is also the possibility that some may have been secreted like we were, as pawns for some future play we have not yet uncovered. You would be more up-to-date on those matters, however.

It is vital that you learn his true identity. We cannot fight enemies we do not know, and even he may yet prove only one actor in a great conspiracy against us. Reply soonest.

Warhaft


Sounds to me that either he is a Blade now or he is working with them, but either way it would seem he was in Morrowind last, which explains why he was no longer in Cyrodiil.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:17 pm

pre-Morrowind as well, unless there is something else...
From this: http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/forum.shtml



Sounds to me that either he is a Blade now or he is working with them, but either way it would seem he was in Morrowind last, which explains why he was no longer in Cyrodiil.


He's wherever he needs to be, I reckon. He was in Morrowind at that time. He may be in Skyrim now, or elsewhere. Who knows? It's all up to the Elder Council.
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:01 am

He may be in Skyrim now, or elsewhere.


Maybe Elsweyr?
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Post » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:02 am

Or dead... yea I can play the guessing game too. :D Only thing we know for certain(according to that info) is he was in Morrowind last, and does not appear to be in Cyrodiil during the time of TES:IV.
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