Genes...

Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:40 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm wondering what happens when parents of different races have a child, whether there are specific genetic rules about which races' genes are dominant.
For example, if a child's parents were a Dunmer and an Altmer, what race would the child be? And do the same genetic rules apply to all races?
Thanks.
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Richard
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:16 am

The child will be the same race as their mother.

Here's a good read about this:
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/racial-phylogeny
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Austin England
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:29 am

Ah, thank you very much. Wow, never seen that site before. No-one's getting another word out of me for the next few hours. :happy:
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Aaron Clark
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 1:20 pm

my theory is that human (most likely Nord or Imperial) and Altmer couples would result in offspring that are similar to the Breton. the Breton were originally Aldmer-Human hybrids, and the Altmer try to keep their bloodlines similar to the Aldmer.
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Luis Reyma
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 11:54 am

Bretons are indistinguishable from normal humans, except for their magical affinity. According to the the Phylogeny book, an Altmer father and a human mother would produce something like a Breton.

But that book is, and this can't be emphasized enough, a rule of thumb. By its own admission it rests on incomplete research and understandings. The current races only exist because of interbreeding, and mixing can account for individuals of ambiguous race, like Jagar Tharn.
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Manuela Ribeiro Pereira
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 8:46 am

By the phylogeny law it seems an Altmer/Dunmer father with only a Breton/Cyrodiil/Nord mother that produces a Breton or a proto-Breton. I can't say if the mother is a Redguard, the child can still be called a Breton or a semi-Breton, even if the child is born with magic. And if the father is a Bosmer, it seems only a Breton mother can produce a Breton baby cause no magic gene from the father.

And in lore we have the exception of the Septim family, that regardless the race of the mother, the child of Septim line was always a man, though not clear if one was a Breton, a Cyrodiil or a Nord. Yet definitely not a Redguard.

It seems because the Redguards are from a different continent and they had arrived after the formation of Breton, they are not easy to be mix-blooded.

And, it is difficult to ditermine the race of a baby from a cross-tamrielic-man-races relationship. The appearing differences among the Bretons, Cyrodiils and Nords are not very distinct. The same goes to Altmer and Bosmer, mayhaps also including the Ayleid, as a mix-blooded is hard to tell. Remember the Thalmor are keeping cleansing of the "unpure blood" in Altmer, and the House of Camoran are mix-blooded as well. Jagar Tharn seems to be among these mix-blooded, and he had much less human blood in him than those elven ones, so he is known as an elf, then a mix-blooded elf, but never something similar to man.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:28 pm

Septims have only been men because the mother was always of the races of men. The rule is that the race will be that of the mother with characteristics of the father. Bretons came about due to generations of interbreeding with elves
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 9:41 pm

Septims have only been men because the mother was always of the races of men. The rule is that the race will be that of the mother with characteristics of the father. Bretons came about due to generations of interbreeding with elves

Katariah Septim was a Dunmer, and her son Cassynder was called "half-elven" and aged as a Breton. Normally a man-father with a mer-mother produces a mer-child ages as a mer, not a "half-mer" ages as a man.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:18 am

I thought that Barenziah and Tiber's child was aborted.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:39 pm

Not that one.
Katariah was a daughter of Ra'athim Clan of Ebonheart and was married to Pelagius Septim III. When her husband went mad she became the regency of the Empire and, after Pelagius III died she took the throne and became the Dunmer Empress for the next 47 years.
Pelagius III was a Breton it seemed as he had a mother from the Direnni Clan (a Breton, because no one had called Pelagius III a half-elf). Katariah was a Dunmer. Their son was written as a "half-elf" and aged as the Bretons did.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 7:26 pm

Quickly,

Prep the Fishy Stick Emperor Cannon
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Tania Bunic
 
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 5:15 pm

Not that one.
Katariah was a daughter of Ra'athim Clan of Ebonheart and was married to Pelagius Septim III. When her husband went mad she became the regency of the Empire and, after Pelagius III died she took the throne and became the Dunmer Empress for the next 47 years.
Pelagius III was a Breton it seemed as he had a mother from the Direnni Clan (a Breton, because no one had called Pelagius III a half-elf). Katariah was a Dunmer. Their son was written as a "half-elf" and aged as the Bretons did.
It could merely be smear propaganda, since it is noted that the Counsel hated having a Dunmer on the Imperial throne.
I would blame the poorly aging thing on Pelagius. He was very sick and it transfered to Cassynder, who may have not truly aged like a Breton, but appeared so because of bad genetics.
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