Now Fallout 4 is a decent game but it's also a lazy piece of work and we 've had it with this BS.

I know large scale RPGs are bound to have issues early on but this release is worst of them of all, I am talking about PC version.

This game seems like its a large mod for Fallout 3 with somewhat updated graphics. When put against Fallout 3, it just seems like its 'more of the same' rather than the 'next stage of evolution' in Fallout franchise.

In fact, the dialogue system has been dumbed down to the point where choices don't really matter much, whether you go 'for an issue' or 'against that issue' you end up in more or less similar situation, doesn't matter which approach you adopt.

Franchise defining Karma and Skill Systems have been removed, why? Why would you water down a hardcoe RPG franchise in the name of so called 'Streamlining'?

Quest design is simply lazy and doesn't make sense at all, The main quest in this game gives a player no excuse to stray from the path and engage in any side quests.

Why would a father, desperately looking for his son, must stop and farm potatoes and melons? There is no consistency, logic and relationship between the main quest and the side quests in this game. If I stop to do all these side quests it feels like I am betraying my son and breaking my protagonist's character. Its a very unthoughtful quest design.

There are no rides.........wtf where is my rusty Harley or Honda? This is [censored] 2015, where the [censored] is my ride........every RPG has a ride or mount these days......

And please upgrade your game engine. This engine feels like its from my grand pa's generation, scrap it already. Enemies disappearing in walls, main character or companion getting stuck in open terrain or running through walls and falling through floors.

And companion AI is absolutely crap, Codsworth can't trace a path around a fence .... seriously wtf!! And what's with the companions getting in the way all the time during the combat (specially ranged combat). And how the [censored] after decades of game development you still don't know how to programme companions so that they don't stand in the door ways and trap you inside for [censored] ages.

So please really, get off your [censored] and stop minting your rep, your games won't sell on hype for much longer, this one did.......but i don't think its gonna be the case for your upcoming titles unless your really pick up your act, you have done some good in the past, bring back that effort and inspiration.

Fallout 4 would have been an excellent release back in 2009, but in 2015, almost nothing justifies this unpolished release which is a little more than a large and unrefined expansion of Fallout 3.

Nope, it's almost exactly what I expected and wanted. Patches will come. No modern game releases unbroken. Destiny was a prime example and while there are a lot of gripes and it pissed me off to basically be a beta tester for a year until they got their poop in one sock, I don't think FO4 is doing that and I like the game quite a lot as it is.

Your are wrong..........you need to play more recent games, if you think this....

Funny thing is Obsidian fixed a lot of the follower issues from FO3 with the stay back option, at least until stealth was broken.

Wrong on a subjective topic. Okie Dokie, bruh.

The old karma system svcked. It implied that there was some kind of god or higher power watching over you at all times.

I can't tell how many times my companions gave away my position during stealth .........

And you just can't [censored] save while you are sneaking because if you load the game at the point, your companion just goes crazy and run into mobs and pull everything from adjacent rooms.

I loaded the game while sneaking in wasteland and my companion was gone and then I saw him running far away on the map, coming towards me with a bunch of raiders chasing him, seriously wtf.....

Your the one who is wrong and subjective, bruh.......

Every flaw I mentioned objectively exists in the game.....

he's not wrong...

there isn't a single recent game, that has such a detailed world and such a fun game expierience

And yet it contributed to the superstitious shamanistic post apocalyptic tribal Fallout universe, so well.........

Yes I agree they could have worked at it and refine and polish it and make it better, but to remove it is to betray the Fallout lore.

Ya know occasionally I forget that I'm on the internet and I try to discuss things in a rational way. Thanks for the reminder.

He is wrong and you are wrong too, I reiterate you need to play more of recent RPGs and Open World games. There are open world games out there with more depth and that are more fun than this one, but I am not here to market any non bethesda products.

Why are you posting general statement you haven't objectively replied to my original post once, you are just posting random general statements...........do you work for Bethesda PR?

what are those games?

Why don't you find out yourself? That just tells me about your exposure to open world games.............

BTW nice try to stray this thread off the topic............

Stay on the topic and reply to the original post, in an objective manner...........

How else would you like me to state it. I disagree with you. I have a different opinion. I enjoy the game and look forward to the things that are problems being addressed and having the world expanded later. Your need to tell me I'm wrong on something that is an opinion says a lot. You're basically standard internet forum guy.

see ^^ there are none

lol nice try........reply to original post please

That's just like your opinion man.

Saying that you only disagree without any proper arguments, is not enough and it is rude....

Read what I said in my original post and then respond to every point that I mentioned,with your argument explaining why you disagree............... these are the etiquettes of disagreement on a forum post........just simply saying that you disagree and then you submit your post, is just rude........

Never cared about the son plot, but that is just because stories for some of us in gaming dont matter, but to others they mean alot. Let alone tracking some imaginary kid with no attachment just feels so forced like Watchdogs so never cared but also never held it against bethesda.

Bleh. Let me know when you're done controlling the internets. I wasn't rude, you're entitled to your feelings and opinions, but that doesn't make you right or even necessarily wrong. Do you see how this works? It's a "discussion" forum, not brimguys debate-a-palooza.

I liked the karma system, but I can adapt to the way things work now. I have fun with the game. What other requirement is there?

Opinion? There isn't a single opinion in the original post. These are missed opportunities and this is what happens when you are lazy.....

Wouldn't you like to ride a make shift bike or car in this game, when every other open world game thes days offer players this option.....

Wouldn't you like your companions to act and move rationally during combat.........internet is bursting with the complaints about companion AI, I am talking about PC version, don't know about consoles...

Same goes for the other things that I mentioned in my original post............every thing that I suggested could have made this game a lot better and its not that any of what I mentioned is unrealistic, almost all open world games in 2015 have surpassed such expectations, F4 seems like a last gen release with a tonne of unpolished content.

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