Surely they would have mentioned Shi/San Francisco in NV if they had been annexed into the NCR.

If you don't like them, kill em. And you can also kill many of them in fo3, just you gotta work with em. If they keep with multiple ways to end the game idea, then what's the problem? Me, I hate the ncr. So, I kill the ncr. I killed ncr in fo 2 also. Oh hi there mr. Ncr cop with gauss rifle, I want.

So in fonv I join bos, and I kill ncr and legion and house. Bos would then make me elder and I would plant my seed all over the mojave, and open recruiting making bos most powerfull thing in the universe, especialy in 20 year when my 40000 kids are grown up.

This is the beauty of fallout games except 3, which is to be expected as a first run fallout game. If you don't like someone, you kill them.

So, if you don't like them, avoid them until you have to kill them, or seek them out and KILL them. Hi my name is ranger andy have you seen my pals at ranger outpost waah waah? Yeah, I just did, they dead cuz I blasted em in the face cuz I wanted red scarf ranger outfit and hey wanna walk with me in front of dino? This, is how I deal with people I do not like in game(why was that not dialog option?).

So yeah, I hope there is bos in fo4. I also hope there is enclave, slavers, mutants, zombies, raiders, wastelanders, vault folk, and new factions, all who I can deal with in what manner I decide, either a warm hello or a shot to the face, but preferably groin. That is what I miss. Groin shots. Bring back eye and groin shots, but if I had to pick between the two, groin. Then you bos haters can have fun shooting bos members in the groin.

Btw, BoS has for sure been to Texas. It is fact, they would go to Texas. Lots of military bases and tech they would want to take in Texas. My first act of new elder of mojave bos would have been to visit the huge, mega powerful Texas branches of the brotherhood.

If you like to break the lore, then sure, bring it again

Avoid them?
It's not about not liking to interact with them, it's about that every single damn game has those space marines in 'em.
How?
How did a small group of military soldiers and scientists spread out so vast?
They have become nothing more but a fan-service right now IMO.

Agreed. San Francisco is talked about but I think its a Follower of the Apocalypse.

Navarro fell because it was undermanned and alone after FO2.

The Shi have a huge population and powerful weapons. They would be alot harder to take down then Navarro. Shi also very smart and have great scientists. They also get their hands on Vertibird blue prints.

Even if NCR did take control of them I doubt they would scrap working T-51b armour and make suits of armour out of it. They would learn how to make working new T-51B armour.

You are forgetting a very important thing, the NCR is expanding and doesn't urgently need power armour to knock aside gangs of raiders. Power armour is advanced, too advanced, it needs training and maintenance and to provide this to soldiers would be far too costly and more importantly damaging to organisation. Which in turn would halt advancement.

To use a real life example, during WWII the Allies, despite having very good tank designs like the Pershing didn't bother replacing the less powerful Sherman tanks because it would bugger up production, organisation (you have to train crews to use new tanks), and logistics. Germany on the other hand, with all their flashy jet aircraft and missiles lost the war because they kept trying to push the envelope when they simply couldn't afford to do so.

Your assuming the actions of the Chosen One took the side of the Shi, when we do not know that the Shi survived, or did not, what is being suggested is a running logical theory, and that we do know the NCR does not have Power Armor units, and the suits they do have do not have power servos in them, thus they are just heavy suit of armor plating to protect the wearer. If the Shi went through and was helped by the Chosen One, then they would be butting heads with the NCR over Territory, as they would be carving their own Empire, remember, they are the offspring of a Chinese Submarine crew, and they kept their traditions similar to the the Chinese Military before the war. That kind of threat would be dangerous to have and would be a serious risk to the NCR, so using logic, it would be wise to assume that the NCR did something about them, as they would not let a city like San Francisco go uncontested like that and let them remain to cause trouble, they are having enough trouble with the Brotherhood of Steel in the west.

If they are not in game, you won't get the answers to your questions. But, it post apoc. All BoS has to do, is hoard and search for tech, and make babies. There no TV.

Better question is how enclave survived, cuz I've seen lot more BoS females than enclave females. But, if neither group in game, there will be no answers, and no new lore to piece the puzzle together.

I am gonna have to make a guess that both groups got a hold of some kind of baby vat tech, and did mass breeding.

lol thats some crazy logic. I hardly ever seen women in the Enlcave they need to Reproduce man.

The Shi are not like the Chinese Military. They are peaceful and given up the old ways. They arn't planning to take over america or anything like that. Shi would still be around. They created that vine that can remove radiation but it only grows in the soils around San Fransisco.

My point is the Shi have been selling T-51b power armour for years. Stands to reason they would show others how to use it. The people that learn would also tell others.

Still other factions in other parts of the country could have got their hands on Power Armour and figured out how to use it.

I don't like dealing with the BoS to get power armour. I am sure somewhere out in the wasteland someone came across a "how to use PA holotape."

It's obvious really, the Enclave are furvent Catholics.

No BoS in Fallout 4 Bethesda please! Do it for :fallout:!

Ok I will give you that point, but in the end, and getting back onto subject, it would not be the same without the Brotherhood to be honest, just like the game would not be the same wothout raiders, or the Enclave, or any other elements that make it Fallout, as i have been saying, change is coming to the brotherhood, it may be slow coming, but it will be coming.

Look, Factions don't make the universe, the universe makes the factions.

The Enclave who weren't in the first game? This is precisely why Bethesda recycling factions for 3 is going to have a disastrous impact on the series.

Enclave wasn't in Fallout 1, and not really as a faction in FNV, just a group of people who used to serve the Enclave. And the BoS was barely in Fallout 2, and you didn't have to deal too much with them in FNV either.
So is Fallout 3 the only real Fallout game because it had BoS and Enclave as huge factions, and [censored]loads of generic raiders?

Ok, points well taken. But still, It will not feel like the same without at least a Brotherhood presence in the game was the point i was trying to make, I know plenty of people are tired of them, but there is a lot of games that had a lacking presence of them, and a lot that had a strong presence of them, I do not see the big fuss of having them in there is, they are fine to me, and not having them just seems wrong. It is like having a Fallout game set in the Southwest without the NCR, it is missing something is all i am saying.

Now that you mentioned it, there wasn't NCR in the first game.

The Brotherhood turning everywhere is just stupid and cheap fan service. They are a small organization who really don't like wasting their people on dangerous missions. But now that Fallout 3 made them saviours of the wasteland, I guess we'll never get rid of them.

It's not the factions that make Fallout.

Yes a game without the BOS would be strange and wierd. You would be like"is there something missing here ohh yes the BOS awwwww." You would feel empty IMO i would at least.

maby instead of the brotherhood already set up in a bunker or building the character could meet a small out post thats looking for a base and they could have a quest for you to find one and the best base would be the hardest to get but would have the biggest reward and biggest reputation boost and then the worst base means easyest to get but terrible reward and lowest reputation boost the middle base is well middle. then like in a few days there set up a bit and then they have another quest for you like they need your help to collect some tec or something and once your reputation is high they let you join but instead of just giving you pa and pa training they have you do some test and when you pass they determen your rank low=knight average=paliden high=elite ( I forgot what came next after paliden (: ) But I do think that some other fraction has pa that you can help OR DESTROY MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! for the brotherhood of course and the reason why they have pa is because they fond a base full of it.

I'd be annoyed if the Brotherhood Of Steel wasn't in the next Fallout game. I think that group represents what a Fallout group should be. If they aren't in a game then we should get the option to join the Enclave.

yah that to the enlclave is second best.

WHAT? SInce WHEN has the Fallout Series ever said it was about people LARPing as knights of yore with laser pointers?

WHAT?!?!?!?!


Then Fallout means nothing, considering their actual status, we dont need the BOS neither Enclave to make a Fallout, we have other factions to choose too

Since Fallout 3 I guess.