Even so, if the number of "errors" or "bugs" that the USP folks state they "corrected" is accurate (and I would have no reason to dispute their claims, but I'm also in no position to double check them) and using Skyrim as the guide for what to expect with FO4: there will still be scores, hundreds even of notable "errors" or bugs in the game long after Bethesda stops tweaking it.

Hell, there were major bugs that were not addressed in the USP patches, such as the dragon stalking bug, and plenty of others. It seems to be nigh on impossible for a software product this complex to be truly and completely bug free, even if it were not being run on millions of different machines by millions of different users who find millions of ways to break it.

It is ostensibly humanly impossible to achieve what some folks seem to think is reasonable to expect: a game like Fallout 4 that is completely perfect, runs perfectly with minimum infrastructure, and never experiences any errors.

Let's use Windows or iOS as examples.

EXACTLY! even vaunted Apples!

Reading comprehension, try it.

Yes, you should.

I did read it, while I hope that is the case, it's still not an excuse for those simple fixes not to be in the first patch. So again, reading comprehension, try it.

Repeat this enough times while tapping your Ruby Slippers and maybe you'll magically transport back to Jita.

Off-topic but I can't help but imagining a crazy talking dog and an Irish drunken red head teenage with a very small tiny face and a "tiny" voice bickering right now about what bugs they should eat and should get rid of.

Aren't you the sad one though, you haven't provided a single solid argument throughout this thread.

Let's recap:

I called Bethesda devs lazy for not including fixes for Killshot and other perks in the first patch.

I backed that notion up by saying that this bug has been documented multiple times over multiple media be they forums/youtube/reddit even gaming site articles.

I went further to back it up by saying it's an extremely easy fix (editing values in the .esm) which is backed up by the way the modders resolved it.

So we have a bug in the last rank of the main "melee dmg" perk, and killshot which can affect anyone who plays with VATS to a large extent, that can be easily fixed but weren't.

And all you did to refute that was by being evasive, calling me a troll and your only plausible argument was that Beth didn't know about the bug because I personally hadn't filed a bug report, nor had I any proof of anyone else filing one, which is extremely unlikely.

So yeah, if you're gonna enter an argument make sure you're not out of your depth, or if you recognize you are, just back away admit you're wrong and don't stoop down to ad hominem attacks.

Child.

Good then my work here is done! Someone has managed to get a good laugh out of it!

Woof, woof!

OMG you are a classic . . . far, far too much of an https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_WILwiWqhI

Your amazing counter-points never cease to impress. <3

Just report your bugs properly and wait for the next patch, and don't call people you don't even know "lazy" from behind the safety of your internet connection, and you may go far.

You still cling on to the fact that beth supposedly doesn't know about the bug? Sure, keep on believing that

Also, if I have valid points to call someone lazy, I'l do it. Also why would I be afraid of calling a Bethesda dev lazy right in their face, would they come after me or my family? Would I wake up in the morning only to find a severed horse head next to me? So "the safety of my internet connection" has nothing to do with me calling them lazy. I'm not picking a fight with the mob over the internet, I'm calling out game developers, that doesn't take any "courage" or "balls" whether it is done through the internet, or in person.

Get a room!

Nah it's fun watching him grasping at straws over and over again to no avail Let me enjoy it while it lasts.

I am not clinging to any facts. You asked "why are these bugs" still present to which I and another poster responded "Maybe they didn't get enough high-quality bug reports to be able to replicate or pin down the bugs?" and which I followed by suggesting that you spend your effort more wisely, i.e., report the bug instead of trolling here.

You are free to be rude and call people you've never met and whose work and productivity you apparently do not have the faintest knowledge of, "lazy," but I am also free to chastise you for being a rude internet twit.

You think you're "calling out game developers," but have yet to post a bug report?

You are both ridiculous, why inflict this on us? It was funny at first, but it's old now.

Again we're back to "you didn't file a report, so your arguments are invalid". Sigh

Let's recap:

I called Bethesda devs lazy for not including fixes for Killshot and other perks in the first patch.

I backed that notion up by saying that this bug has been documented multiple times over multiple media be they forums/youtube/reddit even gaming site articles.

I went further to back it up by saying it's an extremely easy fix (editing values in the .esm) which is backed up by the way the modders resolved it.

So we have a bug in the last rank of the main "melee dmg" perk, and killshot which can affect anyone who plays with VATS to a large extent, that can be easily fixed but weren't.

And all you did to refute that was by being evasive, calling me a troll and your only plausible argument was that Beth didn't know about the bug because I personally hadn't filed a bug report, nor had I any proof of anyone else filing one, which is extremely unlikely.

^^^^^^^^^

Feel free to counter any of this, if you can.

Edit: Also a new point : It's the easiest thing ever to replicate since all you have to do is get the perk and use vats, or get the perk and hit something with melee in the case of big leagues. LMAO.

Not sure exactly which issue of Wasteland Magazine allows you to get double meat from animals (except mutant hounds), but it is separate from finding multiple low level weapons. I have been get multiple low level weapons from raiders for a long time (10 - 15 levels) before picking up the issue which allows me to harvest double meat from animals.

Lol good one! +1

Too funny...


You forgot to add "IMO"


It really depends on how you use it, and what perks you take. I'm going for a low armor, stealthy build (Survival). Sometimes VATS is necessary... especially when I'm being rushed by multiple enemies. All it takes is a couple hits & im done for. I could take some armor perks, but I'm limiting myself to a certain build. So in my case, PA is "cheating"


See how that works?

THIS.

PA is only beneficial at low levels with bad gear, endgame it can't compete with legendary armor.

What Defences do you mean? I have on problem atm, i made an Settlement on Starlight and after i made Laser II defences there are no Encounter arround of this Place. The near Bridge is normally a Encounter Position to spawn but since i got these Laser Turrets nothing happens there anymore and its the second Time happend to me by making there a Settlement.