not to troll or what,but it wont happen

so far games that are able to toggle off,i think are the blood colour or effects

its impossible for them to toggle language,dead bodies,anything...too much of a work

I disagree, if the game is rated Mature then there's a reason why it's Mature. All this would be is more wasted effort on Beth's part. Not to mention the blood isn't a big deal I mean go look at Fallout 3, it's much worse then what Skyrim's going to be and the blood's fake it's not like it's real. If it was real I'd be getting quezzy but it's not so I don't get quezzy.

Don't shield your kids from stuff, just provide context for it, its worked well for my daughter. The bonus is, you don't have to worry about what they're exposed to when you're not around, it'll already be no big deal.

1) M rated games aren't meant for teens and "tweens", there are lots of E and T games out there.
2) TES is pretty mild for an M rated game. There is a little blood, which I do seem to recall being able to turn off in Oblivion. I doubt there will be any gore (decapitations, cutting off limbs, etc.) or bad language (certainly not as much as those "teen" shows on TV). Only sixual themes I really recall from previous games are either silly things like The Argonian Maid or innuendo in the lore books.

So yeah, if you really want your kids to play an M rated game, TES is probably a pretty good choice. Turn off the blood shaders and you are good to go.

I'm sorry but u just asked for a contradiction in space and time :teehee: !!! the game is M rated so it does not need nor require parental locks or options , M means kids are not allowed to play it, not because M rating hates kids because the content might still shock a rather uninformed kid

On one hand, I started out on TES by playing Daggerfall at age 11. And I distinctly remember being fascinated by pixelated boobies, the ability to kill entire cities (well, except for the sprites in buildings), and rob stores for fun and profit. Now that I have a three year old, I'm not exceptionally keen on the notion of him getting his kicks out of such things as a pre-teen. On the other hand, I'm fairly certain he will, and I know there's nothing I can do about it.
Juveniles are juvenile. No amount of protectionism or content-filtration can stop that.
But I'd still like toggles for such things. I know that in many ways it's impossible, but foul language in particular seems extraneous in a video game. I'm jarred out of immersion by cursing every time it happens in Oblivion, largely because I expect fantasy worlds to have their own swear words (like Morrowind did). Excessive gore, likewise. In real life, my view does not consist of a splattered windshield-effect -- nor can I watch the blood magically float off of knives, as I can in Oblivion. Not having much in the way of gore at all helps keep me in the game, because I just end up not thinking about it in those cases. So I guess I'm asking for parental controls so that my immersion isn't broken as an advlt. ?
I'll just stop right here.

Oblivion actually had cursing in it? I don't recall any, must have been fairly mild. I think FO might have had a little but even there I can't recall a specific instance of it.

You can turn off the blood in OB, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to in Skyrim.

TES has been a mature game since the beginning. It should stay that way.

There are plenty of kid friendly games out there, time should not be wasted to remove all the mature content just so kids can play it too.

I think its silly to try and "protect" kids from these kinds of themes. Most people manage to see violent movies, nudie mags/internet porm and more when they were younger and most people are not horrible psychopaths.

I would have no issue with my 10 year old playing SR or other similar games.

Daggerfall had a toggle.

its going to have an M rating. no matter what, but if you dont want your kids to see dont let them play it simple.

i remember playing resi when i was 4 wow that was scary, but also nessary, i also like many people here havnt killed any people alive or otherwise.

going to school, they are more likey to see far worse. friends are a terrible thing, but also sooooooo cool!

Lol.

There is nothing wrong with children seeing mature content aslong as a parent or gaurdian explains it to them (in the case of real life scenarios). I have been exposed to mature content since a very young age (about 6) and I think that I am today a very respectable person who wouldn't dream of hurting anyone or behaving recklessly in society.

I wouldn't worry to much about strong language or sixual themes. It's not like Bethesda to do that sort of stuff the only thing that might give TES games an "M" rating is the blood you don't see gut's hanging out or insides out. The closest to dead skin is the Druagr (zombies) but they're not disgusting like Oblivion's. If your not worried about blood, and more sixual content you probably won't find that. Halo games have "M" ratings and they're ratings are mostly blood and mild language. Blood is shouldn't be a concern just sixual themes and strong language. The closest you'll see to sixual themes is marriage (I don't think Bethesda would include nudity / six into the game). I've been playing "gory" games since I was six or seven and I don't have the heart to hurt/kill anything.

No!

I don't really think mature content will be a problem. Oblivion didn't seem very bad at all. I can only think of one swear in the game, and that was someone you didn't even need to talk to. I could be wrong. I might not remember just because I don't pay attention to those things. six may have been mentioned, but not in a bad way. TES seems like a good option for kids. As long as they realize that they shouldn't stab anybody or shoot them with a bow.

I wouldn't worry to much about strong language or sixual themes. It's not like Bethesda to do that sort of stuff

It's not like Bethesda to do that kind of stuff in TES. Fallout 3 is a different story.

That would probably svck, but why not just let them play? I'm advising them to be atleast 12 or 13 first tough. But anyways 10 year olds can beat me in CoD but anyways I think if you should be smart enough to become great at an Elder Scrolls you gotta be like maybe 12 or 13 as I said, under that age most kids wouldn't really get it, and couldn't live themselves into the lore. BUUUUT anyways all games that are under 16 these days mostly svck.

Your kids are going to see and hear a lot worse in High School than in a video game. They can handle it, trust them.


Coming from an 18 year old who just graduated from High School.

Yes, but how M? That's my question. See, I got lots of little brothers. I let the 9-year-old watch me play Morrowind and, depending on the sequence, Oblivion as well. I think it's a matter of parental (or, in this case, sibling) discretion.

And yeah, I learned about all sorts of things that could get a game rated M for even alluding to in junior high, so no real worries there. My teacher showed us Happy tree friends in 8th grade. And people wonder that now in my 20s I have no nostalgia filter.

Hey can you make your basketball game without nets? Or balls? Or a court?
Hey, can you make your fishing game without water? Or fish? Or fishing rods?
Hey, can you make your flight sim without planes? Or runways?

Skyrim is designed with mature content in mind. So you can tone down the blood, and maybe they have a swear filter, but that will probably be the extent of the system. Skyrim is trying to capture a very Medieval feel, and those were very violent and harsh times. In the end your child is going to be playing a game about smashing things in the face, or burning them with fireballs. What you need to do as a parent is to remind them (INFREQUENTLY) that the game is not real, and that it is not more important than things like homework, and real world morals.

And above all, remember that your child is quite smart, often smarter than he/she lets your know. And that they are constantly making their own decisions about the world. And it is not your job to be a wall in your child's path, but a guiding hand that gently nudges.

TES games normally dont have that much bad content. Since this is the first TES with noticable amounts of blood, i'd imagine the option to turn the blood off will be there (AC has it, even in Mortal Combat you can turn off blood)

Waste of time, they would still find a way to turn it back on.

As much as I'm not a fan of Major Gore / etc?


If there was an artistic reason for you to include "mature" (or immature :tongue:) content in your game / movie / lyrics / whatever, then you should stick with it. If a creator is willing to make a "sanitized" version of their work, then they didn't have a strong enough reason to include the objectionable material to begin with.

i.e, if you include "Mature" stuff for a reason, stick to your guns. If you threw it in just to be "edgy" and "cool", then you shouldn't have done it in the first place.

After that, let the chips fall as they may - if it was artistically important to have that stuff there, then the fact that Walmart won't sell your product shouldn't mean a damn thing. (This is an issue I have with Mature Lyrics / Parental Advisory music.... if you really needed to have that cursing in your Rap song, for thematic or whatever other reasons - how can you make a "clean" version to grab extra $$$ from the prudes? Talk about selling out. :rolleyes: )


Now, given that Bethesda's said "we're not going for a specific rating, we're just making the game we want to make", I can't see them having a "clean" version of their game. Of course, I also don't see them making a game that would rival things like God of War or Rockstar's stuff - it's not who they are.

If parents don't like their kids to play the game, that's their decision.

If you look at the past games (excluding mods, obviously) there hasn't been any nudity. As far as I can remember, there haven't been any 'real life' curses in the Elder Scrolls games, but there has been some that fit their lore. Besides, a curse is only really effective if used in the culture that it is regarded a curse. As the core mechanic of this game is combat, you can't expect to turn off violence. The age rating on a game is more of a guideline anyway; it isn't illegal for people under the age to play it (or watch it if it's a movie), only illegal for them to purchase it themselves (cinema ticket/dvd for movies). When I was a child, my parents let me play some violent games, Resident Evil, DOOM, the original Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat ect. and I've turned out fine. Actually, they started turning to me for advice on whether a game was too mature for my younger brother. Both having come from poor backgrounds (my father from the countryside, and mother from the council estates in Glasgow) they never really understood video games when I was a child, they just thought they were digital board games or something. Now that games have become a work of art, rather than just someting you aim to achieve the most points before the time limit, they need to be experienced as a whole.

My fiancee has agreed that when we have children of our own, I will be in charge of deeming a game inappropriate or not, as I have experience with them. If you feel up to it, try out the game yourself to see if you are comfortable with your children playing it. If you have let them read/watch The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter then I beleive that they will be able to handle an Elder Scrolls game. There is more cursing in a Harry Potter book than in any Elder Scrolls game, at least more that someone from the real world could understand. How mature are your children mentally? Do you trust them to be sensible? This is a game with dragons, stabbing/slashing people with swords, or burning them alive with magic. If they are mature then they know that this is not real, and the experience should be left in the fiction, and not brought to the real world. If you have raised them well they will. Trust in them.

The most brilliant post I've seen on the forum since the Oblivion days.