I prefer Morrowind's glass over Oblivion's, both armor and weapons. It just looked right and it was very pretty looking, you didn't look like a green smerf nerd in morrowind.

As for the 720 topic, I couldn't care less.

Well apart from all armour in Oblivion being ugly because they are fat suits I think the Morrowind glass armour looks more menacing, more arcane, more magical
Oblivion's is too disney-fied just like almost everything in that game.

let me preface this with i love OB and couldnt stand playing MW.... but i have to say the MW glass armor just looks bad ass... the OB glass armor im sad to say looked gay.... maybe if it was like black like volcanic class or slate grey, or maybe even a dark green or dark blue it wouldnt have looked so cheesy.

and no to the 720 i think by the earliest it will be out next holiday season but most likely not till summer of '13. if however it was going to come out this year then they might want to look into porting it over to the 720 but thats it. then get started on making ES VI for the 720 and PS4 (and you PC'ers)

The glass is not blown but mined - it's a rare volcanic glass.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:MW_Rock_Glass.jpg

Ebony is also a volcanic glass and mined rather than manufactured. Think of ebony like a magically strong and dense obsidian and the greenish glass maybe like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PeleTears_large.jpg



I thought the armor in Morrowind fit the lore description a lot better. Since the glass isn't something blown or molded into shape but rather cut from a rare mined form of volcanic glass the cut-glass appearance seems to fit better. I didn't like the helmet in either game though and I never liked to use glass armor. It just seemed odd to be a stealthy light-armor wearing archer stalking through the woods but wearing either a sparkly cut-glass-inlaid armor from Morrowind or the iridescent safety-green crossing guard vest from Oblivion.

Uh...you do realize this is like saying "Iron isn't forged, it's mined," right? :blink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassblowing is a method of working it into shapes once it's obtained just like forging is a method of shaping iron. Mining in Vvardenfell is a way of obtaining it so it can then be refined and then blown or otherwise formed.



And both, like most metals, would be mined (obtained), then smelted (purified/manufactured from raw ore), then sent on to be made into items by forging, or blowing, or other methods.


Anyway, on-topic I thought in both cases the glass armor looked fine, but the Morrowind helmet was okay while the Oblivion helmet blew chunks.

No it's like saying you cut and facet gemstones rather than gather them up, break them down, and reform them into the shapes you need. While called glasses, Ebony and "Glass" in the elder scrolls have been treated more like precious gem materials or semi-magical substances than mundane ore

The description of glass material given in Morrowind described glass armor as lightweight metal made from rare and exotic alloys studded with the green crystalline material referred to as "glass" in the elder scrolls series. Yeah we understand glass to refer to an amorphous rather than crystalline material but if you look at the raw glass deposits image I linked to it is a crystal. Hence its use in armor and weapons in Morrowind was treated as though it were a lightweight but incredibly strong gemstone.

The lore description of ebony suggests it is made malleable and shaped - but this is done more as though it were a metal or other forge-able crystalline solid rather than an amorphous material like real glass. The process for making armor out of it describes it as a folding and forging process similar to how katana are made. The description of the technique sounds bleivable either way though. The raw ebony deposits seen in the games as well as the descriptions of it being able to be reshaped rather than cut into shape means that it could a lot like volcanic glass. It's funny though that of the two the only one that seems to be able to be treated as some sort of magical volcanic glass is not so much the green "glass" but the ebony.

If they wanted to change how glass was handled that wouldn't require throwing out much of the previous lore on it though. I mean I think the only game that really even gave a basic description of how anything was done with the "glass" was Morrowind.



One is thought to be the crystallized blood of the god and the only description of the other, the green "glass", describes it as being cut into studs and set into lightweight armor made out of exotic metal. For the "glass" at least the gemstone comparison seems more appropriate. For ebony it acts like some magical substance that behaves like both metal and glass and neither but the form its found in is not impure ore but pure semi-crystalline deposited - which is one of the reasons ithe mines themselves are a favorite target for thieves and smugglers despite the weight.

Oblivion's glass armor was too PowerRangers, IMO.

The xbox 720 is fake it isnt planned to be made if you honestly buy that its real i fear for you

I prefer Morrowind's, but I think that can be improved a lot as well. So, the real answer from me - something completely new, but rather closer to Morrowind's than Oblivion's type of glass armour.

Yeah, the color is awful. Neither set looked like light armor.

Firstly it's not Microsoft but Nintendo that is releasing its system next and yeah I think it would be great if Bethesda ports the game with enhancements. Hopefully the PC version could be patched with said enhancements too! Nintendo's project Café is supposedly very easy to port to, so if the rumored enhanced R700 is correct it could blow away the other consoles' versions if that particular rumor is correct even if only in resolution and frame rate.

Secondly while I prefer Oblivion's glass armor I recall seeing a topic where people found pictures of Morrowind style glass armor, which just short of confirms that it's the style Skyrim will use.

I dont think glass should be armor at all.. far too brittle, would chip easily, even stained glass-like glass. As for the new Xbox, i believe its going to be called the Microsoft Phoenix.

I didn't care much for Oblivion's glass equipment. For a game that had specular maps on virtually everything, I found the glass to be pretty lackluster - to put it bluntly, the armor reminded me of green apple Jolly Ranchers. Morrowind's armor set worked well too, because it was predominantly made out of metal and volcanic rock: the glass, if memory serves, only existed for decorative purposes and the sharp spikes. It seemed far more plausible than in Oblivion where they had the notion that you could take a blow to the crotch with a warhammer and a solid sheet of glass would leave you untarnished.

Morrowind's were infinitely better, although I'm hoping Skyrim will take a new approach as always.

Definately please keep the lime green color. That was my fav sword and armor in Oblivion.

It's not supposed to be glass like in you living room window you know? It's a magical volcanic material that's supposedly stronger than steel and stuff, it just so happens to be called glass. On a side note glass was not the best choice of name for a strong material lol

lol +1 funny for that...

I have mixed feelings about the two glass armors. I liked the overall appearance of the glass armor in Morrowind. The problem I had with it, though, is that it looked like some other material with a few shards of glass embedded into it. So it was the other stuff doing most of the defensive work. In Oblivion, I liked the fact that it looked like it was actually made of glass (as opposed to embedded with glass). I just thought the overall design was ugly. So I guess I don't really have a favorite. My characters have never worn it, even my ones that did wear light armor.

As for the xbox 720, it'd be nice if it were true. If it was, though, it'd mean that on a technical level, Skyrim would become outdated some 18 months or so after release, since all the new games would be using DX11 (or maybe even DX12). It'd fall behind the curve much faster than Oblivion has.

i honestly prefer Oblivion's, except for that helmet.

Can't remember if Morrowind had an equally unappealing helmet.

I'm not so convinced that's "Glass"

However, I do believe http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/orc-night/ shows Glass sword.

However, I hope we're both right, because that would potentially confirm something extraordinary, a huge diverse selection of weapons. An Orcish Glass longsword and an Elven Glass Longsword. Maybe an Ebony Tulwar(Redguard) and an Ebony Broadsword(Imperial), I don't want to jump on that optimism train, but here's hoping.



It was better, but when you polish a turd?



The properties of Morrowind's glass, as used for Light armor, is ablative in function. Where something like a Heavy steel cuirass would absorb the blow, the glass is designed to "Break off" (Ablate) and direct that energy away from the body. This is why I think the properties of Glass Light armor should have an incredible DT but very Low durability, which is pretty much how it works in Morrowind. It can protect you from one or two very powerful blows, but after that, it loses it's structural integrity.

Glass weapons were also done well in Morrowind, though they should have had overall higher base damage (Instead of 1). Hoping to see in Skyrim, Glass weapons being brittle, but carrying a huge bonus to critical chance, compared to it's heavy-material counterpart, Ebony. The choice material for assassins and ambushers alike.

I'm not very fond of either glass armors because they are too brightly colored and shiny for stealth based characters- it doesn't make sense to me. They looked ok otherwise. Initially, I hated the Morrowind version- the helmet reminded me of Sonic the Hedgehog, but it grew on me after a while.

Compatibility with the next generation at this point seems moot because they've already decided and have been using the current technology. It's probable however that the new xbox will be able to run games from the older generation and that would be a good thing.

They made a good decision for their business and for us. If they chose use the next generation of hardware, they'd have to wait longer to start development, AND they'd have to learn the new technology to develop the new game further delaying the release date.

Peace, +Petrose