A body on a pillar being eaten by small dogs..

Im sorry, but all I see is a pillar with some organic growth like tendrils on.
I dont see a dog, I see no body.

It could be cause I have poor eyes, but I made it as big as I could. Im sorry, I just dont see it.

good good

Constantly being invited to 'open corpse' to see if there were a few coins in it's guts not gory enough?
Is it just me, or does the rat/dog/fox in the background look like a Wallaby to anyone else?

I'm not trying to flame you or anything, just trying to answer your points honestly:

Firstly, I would prefer that people living in countries with overprotective censorship rules had to suffer a cut-down version, than if EVERYBODY has to suffer a cut-down version, limiting the freedom of artistic expression in the original version.

Sure, it's an awful situation to be in... but as long as they openly state 'this version is altered for the Australian market', you can surely find a way to get hold of the real deal. And maybe, in the long run, vote for someone who will change those ridiculous censorship laws.

Secondly, I really don't see what's wrong with enjoying products that my boss or grandma would not like.

I often watch movies that my grandma would turn off immediately, it's called 'personal taste', and is partially determined by a sense of proportion with regard to blood, sixual content and "OMG bad words". Art and entertainment should not be limited to the lowest common denominator, and people should not feel entitled to smother others with their own personal taste.

I once discussed this with my grandma, and she agrees totally... :wink_smile:

Wow. Deep inside I'm a kind, reasonable person and you get the most productive results if you treat me as such. Anyway, I will be so polite to answer your questions.
1. I've played through the whole of FO3 several times by now. How about you? I hope you have too, because it's a good one. Does this matter then?
2. Yes, I was totally consumed by the hype that Beth resurrected FO3/Van Buren and I followed each press release closely. In fact I've never been as enthusiastic about a game since Morrowind or perhaps even Medal of Honour: Allied Assault. What about it?
3. I stated explicitly "I hope everyone sees I don't wish to bash any country here." Just read before you go amok as a wild bull and don't circumvent the swearing filter please. In fact I only expressed my sincere sympathy. It's known some countries have a severe censoring commission and I leave it at that. I didn't say anything about that in detail nor anything demeaning about a specific country. Did you feel otherwise?
Now I'd find it pleasant if you could be so civil to tell me if we're straight here. If you aren't at all, tough luck.
By the way, I couldn't agree more with the poster above. If you wish to know more about where I stand here, read his post and you get the idea. Nothing's bad about that, is there?

No, there's nothing wrong. I don't like how you try to say that anyone with differing morals than you is somehow wrong. Ethics and morality are relative. I should know...I study ethics in uni (most boring subject, believe me)!

This is not 'bashing', but when you post your opinion on something, especially extremist such as yours, you have to face scrutiny.

As for having a cut down Australian version, whilst that is disheartening, it is not really my problem. Heck, I live in Malta, and games aren't censored.

I'm just gonna reply in one general thing here to all comments against me. I understand that my post would incite some flames, and don't want to force my morals on anyone, but we have to reach some kind of consensus and I wanted my voice to be heard.. Thanks to those who did support me.

Now, suggesting proxies, tunnels or even overseas buying hurts the economy. and I never said I did want a gory version, so im not going to buy the "real" version anyhow.

im on a phone, so more later tomorrow, as bad internet atm.

I agree for the same reasons. Ethics, uh? :thumbsup:


No problem, mate, I understand completely. Yet that's not what everyone wants/thinks.

That's pretty much what the state of New South Wales does the rest of the states are unique in their own ways not exactly like comparing New York to Texas more like comparing New York to L.A and San Fransisco

back on topic and done think their going to tone up the blood and gore too much otherwise they won't be able to maintain a Teen rating but I would expect developments regarding gore

:facepalm: In that case Germany should be full of Nazi's, Norway should be full of Vikings, America full of revolutionarys, sorry but saying that their prudish 'for convicts' is just plain stupid

I think they aim for an M rating this time.

I hope you can turn it off.

If it can't be turned off I'm pretty sure it can be modded out, at least to some extent.

Wouldn't be too hard to implement, you could turn blood splattering off in OB, and the German Fallout 3 was less violent than other versions

I love how I finally see "lulz just turnz it off" as a solution in another context. :lmao: Epic day.
Anyway, there were games in the past that had this, so it may be. However we don't know if there's going to be gore and which level of it.

Good post and yes i`m in the same camp as yourself.. An older gamer that is looking forward to Skyrim a lot, with the whole grim/nordic/conan/brutal look and feel to the game. i`m loving the gore induced images and the thought of the finishing moves...sound like at last a brutal side has been added to the series for those of us who like visceral combat. It also comes across as a nice change to say for instance, the atmosphere of Oblivion, which although i did enjoy, felt a bit light and breezy if you know what i mean.
I love the image in Gameinformer showing the player character dispatching a foe with a finishing move and a spray of blood.

I would like a lot of the world to be bleak, violent and horrific! Thats my ideal type of RPG world. If Dragons are overrunning the Nords then i think that it would be fair to say that things indeed would be bloody and quite doom stricken..

Haha, is that really your standard for games? What about other things? I assume you've watched porm before.

They've already said that Skyrim will be a much darker and more brutal game in terms of design, I like that. A world where everything is nice, shiny and perfect is not believable in the slightest, not to mention boring. Conflict creates drama, and drama is what you want in an RPG or any game trying to tell a story. I'm supporting Bethesda 100% on this particular design decision, Skyrim needs to be a cold, dark and harsh place. Where only the strong survive.

EDIT: Oh yeah, for anyone who does not think gore does not belong in TES, Bethesda obviously disagrees with you. I seem to remember a rather grisly display near the end of the DB questline in Oblivion. Bethesda decides what fits TES, it's their world, not yours.

Why is everyone forgetting the disgusting scenes set up in Oblivion? Doesn't anyone remember the many, many corpses/zombies impaled on stakes, hanging from hooks, crawling out of lava charred to a crisp, sacrificed at altars and generally detailed in extremely gruesome situations? I completely disagree that this one scene which may not even enter gameplay is a marked increase from the genuinely nasty gore set up inside Oblivion realms and Necromancer caves in Oblivion. Honestly, in my first playthrough in Oblivion, I was shocked, horrified and repulsed by the various gory scenes of torture and slow death shown us in different dungeons and Oblivion realms.

However, no one remembers Oblivion for this, but rather thinks of it as a less advlt, less mature game. I'm compelled to agree on that point, and I'd probably say that generally most of us weren't left with a lasting impact by Oblivion's gore because of a couple of reasons.

1) The very common instances of this happening, as mentioned by the OP (all Oblivion gates led to oh-so-many of the usual corpses hanging as scenery) made such gore get, well, old, and desensitized us to the horror we were being shown.

2) The use of the zombie model as the victim - I know this was meant to convey that the corpse was rotting, but I feel that this was lost on us players who didn't care much for the victim seeing as he was shown as an enemy texture/model. Imagine if the poor bastard who died crawling out of lava in the Chorrol Oblivion gate still was visibly recognisable - imagine for example if he were an Altmer or a Redguard, his face still human/mer and not zombified or just black. That'd actually get to us; it'd make us think who these poor devils were, how they ended up here in Oblivion, and how much they suffered as they slowly died in agony. That's the kind of gore I'm looking for - not just more filler like we got in Oblivion.

You could turn off the blood splatter in Oblivion? Cool I had no idea. Oblivion didn't bother me, though I was tempted by the mod that removed the mutilated corpses.


Asking for options is perfectly reasonable. Some of us like playing games without being completely disgusted by graphic gore, just as most people don't want to see graphic nudity in the game.

Yeah I apologize, I'm just a little sensitive when it comes to politics because many people outside of my country like to talk smack on it and I don't care if your right your not allowed to call my uncle Sam a loser unless your family.

The reason i asked you about FO3 is because it's very gory and the only thing that had to be removed for an across the board release that would include Australia is the use of real world drug names.

So, it's nothing personal and i don't think you a poor forum member. Just be careful what you say about other cultures and countries because we have all kinds here and we all deserve the same level of respect from each other.

Spy in our lines!!!

Without even going into the relativity of truth in this world, nationalism or other such irrational strong feelings shouldn't be an issue on this topic and I don't think countries or cultures should be bashed because they have censoring commissions. I don't know where I mentioned the States or a variety of cultures in a demeaning way. Third time I want to let you know this.
I didn't want to refer to it in particular, but you're right, it's a fact that especially the use of drugs almost caused great upheaval in the case of FO3. The gore was overdone, but that's the kind of dark humour that's so typical of the FO franchise. Even without the bloody mess perk there were flying limbs everywhere at times. Even the use of a weak 10mm fire arm could cause this. I wouldn't want to see that in TES though. Well, we won't because there are no plasma rifles or gatling lasers in Tamriel.
By the way, I feel the same about you. The mere fact that I think you're worth messaging to talk this over as grown-ups should be conclusive proof. Apologies accepted. Let's have some great civil debates here in the future.

I never said it wasn't, I'm simply saying that Bethesda will do what they want to do. And honestly, the gore is not real, I've seen real gore several times and that does disturb me, videogame gore on the other hand does not because I know it's not real. I'd say nobody should be disgusted by nudity, but I've been around the internet for long enough to know that at times it is unavoidable. Allthough granted if it was in the game I doubt Bethesda would go out of their way to sicken us with it.


Not to drag this out or anything, but in my opinion respect is something you have to earn. If I don't want people to think I'm stupid, I simply don't do stupid things. That works in every situation, censorship is wrong, it is a crime against everything a civilized society stands for and stating so is not an insult towards an entire nation, but towards the people who enforce censorship.

Besides, why take anything said online personally? What does it matter if some random guy you've never met and probably never will talks crap about you, your country or your mum for that matter? It doesn't. If I had taken it personally every time someone insulted me I'd have killed msyelf years ago, luckily I don't have eggshell feelings and I am reasonable enough to understand that the vast majority of dikes online are cowards, idiots or both.

What and where is Malta? Never heard of it. Is that next to Kazakhstan or something?

And gore should be in the game. It should use all the dark Norwegian imagery and fairy tales, and not shy away from blood just because people are squeamish or their countries are controlled by conservative wackos.