I don't recall if it was officially confirmed or not, but I'd say that yes, we can jump. The fact that it hasn't been mentioned is most likely just because jumping is probably something you can sort of take for granted is in, and the fact that acrobatics is not in doesn't mean anything, because you don't need to have a skill for jumping to be able to jump. In fact, the Elder Scrolls is probably the only RPG series I've played that has included such a skill, yet it's not the only one to include jumping (Fallout 3 and New Vegas, for example, let you jump, but don't make it a skill.) no skill for jumping just means you don't have a skill to control how far or high you can jump, presumably meaning it's a fixed distance that is placed in some balanced range that's high enough to be useful but not unreasonably high. I've never been concerned that jumping wouldn't be in the game because I really don't see Bethesda removing it, and the lack of a skill for it doesn't make any difference, not everything you can do in an RPG necessarily has a skill governing it.



I guess that answers the question, then.



In that case, then why have I played lots of games which don't include it? Now, granted, it tends to be a very basic mechanic in games that have it, but that hardly means it's present in every game.

I'm just trying to say that Bethesda makes games a certain way and has particular obligations that I would not expect them to not include. Even something as basic as jumping is coming under scrutiny because we haven't been told it exists. I was merely commenting on this forums ill founded paranoia that Bethesda is going to revamp their flagship series to become a console based shell of its former self. This paranoia has led people to question things that I personally feel Bethesda never even considered removing simply based off of precedent. A good example of this is the armor pieces, everyone hated having pauldrons and chest plates combined in Oblvion and based off of 1 screen shot we all assume that theyve taken it a step further and combined whole sets of armors. I agree some decisions made by Bethesda in the past have been a bit dicey but look at the panic thay spread based off of how little we've actually seen.

Well obviously you have played games that have no jumping in it, but original games like Mario, it was essential for any game. Besides the racing ones.

I could be wrong, but I think Bethesda put jumping in fallout. I could be mistaken, but im pretty sure it wasn't in fallout 1 or 2.

I don't seem to recall jumping in pacman or space invaders or pong or tetris or many early RPGs or beatemups.

Yeah, pretty much only platforming where jumping is the main mechanic.

zomg a basic ability that used to be tagged under a skill is no longer tagged under a skill this MUST mean we cannot jump anymore :ahhh:

imagine that you are playing a ranger , the only way to survive is to keep your distance from melee opponents . You can shoot from very long range which is impossible in open areas because of view distance, stand in secure positions meaning that you can jump in places NPCs cannot - and this is where acrobatics were useful- , this is not possible now ? i guess they will also force archers to stand while shooting so snipping game is out too.
Goodbye bows .

Because of the nature of Elder Scrolls games, Jumping is a necessity of Navigation. So at least Fallout3 style Jumping will be in.


Gameplay jumping though? That may not be in. With no Acrobatics skill, we may not be able to actually use jumping as anything more than a navigational aid. There may be some kind of a perk associated with jump height and distance, but I'm not particularly hopeful of that. One of the few skills I smacked my gob over in disbelief, and with their reasoning, was dumping that acrobatics skill. While it's true, Oblivion might as well have dumped it, in terms of it's aid as a gameplay mechanic, given Skyrim's naturally more vertical nature... I don't understand how they decided it needed to be removed. Athletics, okay, nothing really there that can't be accomplished with a stamina bar upgrade, but the whole "It's repetitive" argument against acrobatics was silly, as the game's leveling mechanics have always been based on repetition of action.

um... are you joking cause I really can't tell...

The thought that the demo Dovahkiin didn't jump occurred to me shortly after watching the video. Inward panic commenced.

After a little thinking, though, I couldn't think of any reason Beth would exclude it. Besides, it's confirmed. I'm just afraid it will be a case of, "You can jump one foot up and one foot forward. NAW MOAR! Assept wheyn sphrinting." I really hope it isn't, though. I hope you can take off with the force of a rocket and jump 15 feet. But that's just my two cents.

I'm betting the real reason we didn't see the Demo Character jump, is, like all other Bethesda games, the jumping animation is probably hilariously awkward.

Of course there's jumping. It's such a silly question...I mean...come on :facepalm:

But they could take out a skill that we weren't expecting and combine acrobatics, athletics and hand-to-hand combat into it's spot........

I want NPCs or other creatures to be able to jump too and have the AI for it. Seems like they should be able to do that now.

If you can't tell .. Oh boy. It's rather apparent that he is indeed mocking the way everyone freaks out and makes assumptions based on 5 minutes of gameplay. "I didn't see him jump in the demo.. humm... HOLY CRAP NO JUMPING?!? BETTER MAKE A THREAD ABOUT IT!" :rolleyes:

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Doesn't necessarily mean there's no jump. Look at Fallout 3 and New Vegas. No acrobatics but you could still jump. Maybe Skyrim will be the same

Fixed height and distance would totally svck. I hated it in fallout 3 and New Vegas. Some people on the forums have whined about jumping mixed with acrobatics being overpowered, but then again, acrobatics and jumping wouldn't be game breaking if Bethesda would just allow NPCs to jump as well.

This. I always played The Floor is Lava in Oblivion.

I agree, it would totally svck :S

I hope you are right.
I would a rather have a poorly animated jump than no jumping at all.

I think it'd svck too, but from a design perspective, it's much easier, and thus much cheaper, to implement. Not only does that mean that there would be no need to set any sort of variables on the jumping animations, but it would make it much easier to design the world, since things wouldn't have to be designed to take into account a range of jump heights and distances. With fixed height and distance, everything would either be reachable or not, period.

One of the other things that also made it awkward was that you can still move around in the air just like if you were on the ground. Realistically you shouldn't be able to turn so much or control where you go in midair when you're jumping.