I do agree that Morrowind overall was a much more fulfilling experience than Oblivion. However, both titles were Game of the Year winners. I think the main issue is the fact that Bethesda didn't have the hardware for Oblivion through most of it's development. I truly hope that Skyrim will have a lot more lore, content, and overall immersion for the player than Oblivion. I'm not suggesting Oblivion was a bad game either, it was great. However I feel Bethesda really needs to match the expansiveness of Morrowind, if not beyond that to truly blow away everyone.

Ditto. There have been three (3) games with the same core in a row. Would be quite refreshing to have something at least a bit different for a change.

I read the title and here are my thoughts on the matter


PRIME THE POWDER KEGS!
BURN DOWN THE CROPS!

God I hope it's a ton like Oblivion! Whoever made this thread is a [censored], I'm not afraid to say that. Although he is good with changing the phrase "Morrowinnd svcked" into a sentence stating that it is the best in the universe. So..;. Oblivion rocked. Graphics and gameplay improvements, setting change, it'll be good. Pretty much.

I think this topic should die now, people should have come to terms with their feelings. Oblivion was a bombastic, epic large sandbox game with full voice over, when it comes down to atmosphere, no other game in ES compares. I expect Skyrim to eclipse it in terms of atmosphere just as Oblivion eclipsed the other games in the series with regards to atmosphere.

How can anyone list atmosphere as a negative for Oblivion? Its random NPCs had more life to them than the central characters in the other games, at least acknowlege the impact technology has made on the the vibrancy of the virtual ES world. Talk about unabashed bias.

Its actually simpler than you might think. Difference of opinion and past experience. If you backtrack in the series there is much more world available to the player. OB had improvements yes, but coming from older games, while person to person interaction was bolstered (though please accept that even OB NPC's can be repetitive) there were things lost in transition from game to game.

Oblivion was about as deep as a puddle. I'm sorry, but it was a giant cesspool of cliches. All the factions (except Dark Brotherhood) were Good vs. Evil! The Main Quest: The evil demons are coming and you must stop them! It had improved on some things like graphics, but it also failed on plot.

Morrowind was an ocean, but it had blocky graphics and lacking animations for combat. I hope they take the depth of Morrowind and the graphics and polish of Oblivion and put them together for Skyrim.

Edit: Morrowind bashers, please play the game first. Oblivion was my first, then I played Morrowind. I find Morrowind to be far deeper. Trust me, once you get past the school of hard knocks like dying to a kwama forager and doing a quest way over your head, you'll discover how much fun it is.

I'm sure the silent majority are delighted to have you as their spokesperson. Truth is we don't know.

Skyrim will most certainly be compared to Ob, it will most likely also be compared to Bethesda's most recent RPG which is Fo3 and there is a good chance it will be compared to the most recent RPG released on the Bethesda label, FoNV. Who compares which with what depends among other things on their personal experience, agenda, editorial bias. Truth is we don't know for sure how it will all play out, I'd guess in the long run it depends which of the previous game Skyrim is most similar too, or not.

Yes, I do hope Skyrim will be more like Morrowind, in some ways I hope it's more like the other big sellers, Fo3 and FoNV too. I think we can say with relative certainty that the Ob level scaling is gone, Todd Howard pretty much confirmed that he would never do a game like that again. As for the rest, we'll see.

I've had it with the Oblivion-hating [censored], so this, very [censored] much this.

Seti, there are just as many Morrowind-haters. And Oblivion haters don't hate it (well most don't), they just view it as a step down.

Gameplay wise I hope its alot closer to Oblivion than Morrowind.

I hope it is very much like Oblivion in some ways. The combat was great, and the graphics were amazing at the time. I also hope it is like Morrowind in some... ok many ways. That game was great... my favorite game of all time.

They will inevitably try to appeal to a larger fanbase, much like what Oblivion did, but I'm sure they will still be thinking of their loyal fans.

Gabbo, I hope so. I certainly hope the plot isn't Oblivion's Clichefest '10

It should be nothing like Oblivion? A person may as well say "it should be nothing like Morrowind". Despite common stupidity, the two damn games are very similar, and Morrowind wasn't always seen as the great pinnacle of gaming. I wish a few "Daggerfall elitists" would find their way back to the forums and put some people in their place. Saying a game should be nothing like another is a way to poorly mask hatred for a game. I want to be happy at this point, as the next chapter in my favorite series was just announced, but the forums have reverted to a "Oblivion fans aren't real fans, but are casual action junkies; Oblivion should have no influence on TES V; do it like Morrowind, not Oblivion" stage. I love improvements, but I've had it with all of this. I've absolutely burst my bubble of anger restraint. I've never seen a thread titled "I hope it's nothing like Morrowind!", have you? I would never support such a statement, but this one-sided pit of anger and disappointment is ridiculous. It's been nearly 9 years since Morrowind's release and nearly 5 since Oblivion's. Get over it and move on. Just so certain people know, Bethesda has also clearly stated that, just as Morrowind and Oblivion before it, TES V will do things in its own, distinct style. If you want to play Morrowind, go play Morrowind. If I want to play Oblivion, I'll play Oblivion. Truly, I find it disgusting how people want TES V to be an exact replica of Morrowind. I want features from both games, and even those that came before, but move out of the past and realize you are not getting a Morrowind 2. There never was a Daggerfall 2, there will not be an Oblivion 2, there will not be a Skyrim 2, and there will not be a Morrowind 2. This upcoming game will be Skyrim, not anything 2. Love it or you don't, but I don't want to witness the inevitable whining about the game not being like . It happened with Daggerfall and Morrowind and it happened with Morrowind and Oblivion. This time, it will likely happen with Morrowind and Skyrim as well as Oblivion and Skyrim, and it's getting old. [/rant]

You okay, Bud?

I personally loved Oblivion that what brought me to the series and I love all of the main games (besides Arena haven't played it yet) Oblivion wasn't ideal for the Morrowind fans but It brought a bigger audience to the game and It wasn't that bad the story was simplex but fun the fighting was a bit choppy sometimes but it was still fun overall. But anyway putting Oblivion aside Bethesda will probably make Elder Scrolls V similar to oblivion but knowing them they might have a look back at the series and see what they should add

As much as I despise rants, Seti's got a point: at times it's like a good chunk of you folks - hell, all of us, I suppose - come off as little more than a bunch of tribalistic savages slinging insults and various foul substances at one another. Frankly I'd be surprised at this point if secretly Bethesda didn't hate the guts of the whole lot of us, seeing's how it seems most discussion seems to consist of demonizing them for one design choice or another in whatever their latest product is.

It's such a subjective topic and the games are released so rarely, are you really surprised it gets a bit tribalistic here?

Personally I hope Beth continue to do what they started in Fo3: make the world more interesting to explore, sure there was a lot in Oblivion but there were a lot of randomly placed dungeons and it didn't feel as integrated into the environment as in Fallout where for me the 'dungeon' locations were much more believable - a Pertol station by the highway or an old factory as compared to Random cave that for some reason has a door #23 Would also be nice to see more of a culture, everything seemed a bit similar with very little to differentiate the different cities or the supposed Colovian - Nibenayan divide in the populace... I really feel like they missed something there; a couple of voice actors for the male and for the female Imperials would've made the lore come to life a lot more imo.

And that is essentially where it all began to go south. People complaining they had to "read". So because of their laziness the dumbing down began.



I do not pay $60 to use my imagination to fill in the developers shortcomings.



God forbid you have to put any thought into a game.



None of the earlier games went from super smart to super stupid in the expanse that oblivion did from morrowind.



Well common sense and general knowledge of the gaming biz and a previous prime example allow one to do so.



Actually Oblivions mass appeal is due to its dumbing down and being on 3 systems rather than two. To suggest that the hardcoe are a minority is rather foolish. It was the "minority" that got oblivion the way it ended up. Like other developers for some strange reason, Bethesda listened to the few thousand complainers and ignored the millions of praisers. If you are too lazy to read or not competent enough to understand the core basics of an RPG. Than why even play the game, complain till you get your way then declare with absolute fact that its only a "small bulk of people" who would like things to be back the way they were.?



What oblivion did well? Nice graphics, nice combat and voice acting. Thats it. But thats really all you need to cater to a larger audience. Developers seem to think that excuses the lack of depth and content. People like you assure them that it is.



You seem to be confused. It was approachable because it WAS SIMPLIFIED. Easy to learn and EASY to master. No more having to explore to find your way, no more getting your [censored] handed to you because you weren't skilled, no more conflicting quest( thus making you not have to choose ), etc, etc, etc.



No, but more content does. Care to compare morrowinds content( items, clothing, weapons, etc ) with oblivions?



Theres a reason people like you love oblivion. Think about it. Simple things call for simple minds.

Seti18, if you can't understand the very simple statement of hoping this game is nothing like oblivion yet wanting it to be similar to morrowind....then frankly your common stupidity reply is ironic. Its clear you do not understand, nor have you read all post in this thread EXPLAINING it. Hmmmm, maybe if this thread was voice acted?

And here was i thinking New Vegas Defense Force was needlesly elitist, blunt and loudmouthed... :lmao:

Wow, this thread isn't locked yet? The title alone is plain flame-baiting and trolling.

By the way, although Morrowind is my favorite, I think Oblivion brought many improvements.
Dumping all that to the trash instead of improving even more on it would be silly.

holy crap, holy crap, holy crap

I can put up with blatant flaming and favoritism because it is fairly easy to call out but, holy crap, if you are going to take the time to understand and deconstruct someone else statement, because Seti's rant was certainly not about which game Skyrim should consider more than another, then please take any and all measurements to abstain from including

• stupid
  
• you clearly do not understand
  
• why are you talking
  
• sorry, you are just wrong
  
• many other types of condescending remarks

in your opinion of other people.

I had lots of concerns at the announcement of Oblivion. I made them known here, and I think I even got banned for quite some time at how... insistent I was. Sure enough, every single one of them came to fruition at release. Oblivion did a lot of things right and improved a lot of things. Because of this, it was a good game. But because of all the things it [censored] up from Morrowind moving forward, and because of how godawful the voice-work and NPC interaction was done, it wasn't nearly as good as Morrowind. After one playthrough of Oblivion I went right back to Morrowind. I still play it occasionally, but not as much as I play Morrowind. Oblivion is a mediocre game at best, but it's fun to play through and that's its only redeeming quality.

Don't worry. I'm not gonna make a scene at the announcement of TESV. I'm sure I'll buy it, especially being on a much looser budget now than I've been in the past, but that's only because I've come to terms with the fact that gamesas is past its prime.

I look forward to seeing more about this game, and hopefully they can prove me wrong and get back on track moving in the right direction.

Well, the bigheads of gamesas indicated multiple times before that they've learned from the mistakes they've made with Oblivion (more specifically level-scaling and blandness of setting), so I'm fairly optimistic about them showing a definite improvement with Skyrim. As for just how much improvement is going to be made, we'll see at game release.

I loved oblivion, but i think they could do better.

The things i didnt like very much:

- Fast travel was badly implemented, i think morrowind fast travel was more immersive and fun (silt strider, boats, mages guild teleport, mark and recall, amsivi and divine intervention, propilon)
- Quest compass, it's a sort of gps, i prefer directions and investigation.
- Lack of unique items
- Lesser armor customization
- Too much levelling mobs
- Few factions

I hope Skyrim fixes this problems, if not all some of them