God or myth? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:08 am

Is Tiber Septim truely a god? Many people seem to think so. And you also receive his blessing In KOTN which enabled you to defeat Umaril. But how did he Ascend? Did The Eight see fit to make him a god for the Deeds he had done? Then why not make Alessia a god to, instead of only a saint? And why don't there seem to be any records which touch on this?

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:17 am

Is Tiber Septim truely a god? Many people seem to think so. And you also receive his blessing In KOTN which enabled you to defeat Umaril. But how did he Ascend? Did The Eight see fit to make him a god for the Deeds he had done? Then why not make Alessia a god to, instead of only a saint? And why don't there seem to be any records which touch on this?

He was part of the enantiomorph, he acted like the gods until he became one too.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:02 am

Some say that he was made a god as a result of the latest Dragon Break.

But either way, he was able to empower the Divine Crusader with the power to utterly destroy Umaril, which the Eight could not do.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:03 am

Some say that he was made a god as a result of the latest Dragon Break.

But either way, he was able to empower the Divine Crusader with the power to utterly destroy Umaril, which the Eight could not do.

The Blessing of Talos was that you could follow Umaril to Oblivion, and deal the second death. I doubt it proves Talos's power over Aedra or anything.

Pelinal would have been able to defeat Pelinal "utterly" if only he could follow him "up there."

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:37 pm

Please realize that http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/arcturian.shtml. "Tiber Septim" was moreso a mantle or title rather than a person.

Oh yeah: start considering the idea that Tiber Septim isn't Talos.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:23 pm

Please realize that http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/arcturian.shtml. "Tiber Septim" was moreso a mantle or title rather than a person.

Oh yeah: start considering the idea that Tiber Septim isn't Talos.

But given that an avatar of Talos gave you a power called the Luck of the Emperor, I'd say that they ARE the same person would be the more likely case.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:21 am

But given that an avatar of Talos gave you a power called the Luck of the Emperor, I'd say that they ARE the same person would be the more likely case.

Xal says otherwise:

"The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim."

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:48 pm

Xal says otherwise:

"The second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. The Oversoul was known to the world as Tiber Septim."

The Prophet seems to suggest otherwise.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:03 am

The Prophet seems to suggest otherwise.

Yes, and then he corrects himself in the very next sentence.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:48 am

Yes, and then he corrects himself in the very next sentence.

He didn't correct himself, he was saying that they're the same person.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:58 pm

Luagar is right.

(My, isn't this a stimulating exchange?)

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:52 am

Luagar is right.
(My, isn't this a stimulating exchange?)

Saying who's right isn't proof or disproof of anything.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:50 am

And Talos said to the Arctus, "Let us join as one to fortify this throne, this land, these people, each one glorious under heaven!" Would you not do the same, children of Cyrodiil? No, you would not! This is plain! You looked away when the fires flickered, and now act lost that they are gone! Only death remains for Tamriel! Death and oblivion! ~ http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/kotn01a.shtml

I win.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:11 am

Talos is, and yet is not, Tiber Septim. Rather, Tiber Septim was an identity worn by both Hjalti and Wulfharth/Ysmir. While Hjalti did receive the name 'Talos' (Stormcrown) in life, it was because people thought Ysmir's power was Hjalti's. Talos is essentially Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan "reborn". Or perhaps more accurately: Talos is an echo of an echo.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:34 pm

Talos is, and yet is not, Tiber Septim. Rather, Tiber Septim was an identity worn by both Hjalti and Wulfharth/Ysmir. While Hjalti did receive the name 'Talos' (Stormcrown) in life, it was because people thought Ysmir's power was Hjalti's. Talos is essentially Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan "reborn". Or perhaps more accurately: Talos is an echo of an echo.

Moreso the Akatosh/Lorkhan identity collectively...but that's really the same thing...

I just wanted to contribute more to the discussion...

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:56 pm

Talos is, and yet is not, Tiber Septim. Rather, Tiber Septim was an identity worn by both Hjalti and Wulfharth/Ysmir. While Hjalti did receive the name 'Talos' (Stormcrown) in life, it was because people thought Ysmir's power was Hjalti's. Talos is essentially Shor/Shezzar/Lorkhan "reborn". Or perhaps more accurately: Talos is an echo of an echo.

Says one source of questionable accuracy.

Even so, the Heresy is an important book.

The Divine Crusader is the Shezzarine; he could not destroy Umaril before, but later, Talos granted this power to destroy Umaril to the new Shezzarine.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:56 am

Ummm...how is it's info questionable??

In my opinion, the only reason you can call it questionable is cause you didn't literally see it happen.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:14 am

The Divine Crusader is the Shezzarine; he could not destroy Umaril before, but later, Talos granted this power to destroy Umaril to the new Shezzarine.

Shazarrine. I like that word.

Reminds me of, oh, Nerevarine. So, what's Tiber Septim, a Talosine? Sounds like something I'd light the barbeque grill with...

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:28 am

Welll...how can you be the incarnation of something that is supposed to be...you??

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:37 pm

Ummm...how is it's info questionable??

In my opinion, the only reason you can call it questionable is cause you didn't literally see it happen.

I call it questionable because the author writes like he/she is a know-it-all. There's no way that the author could have known all the details in the book.

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:20 am

I'm sure this is a theory held by a very small minority, but the "current" Underking could have written it.

Considering this is TES, nothing can be ruled out.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:16 pm

Are you sure he didn't ghost write it? (*pulls out a rubber chicken* yuk yuk yuk)

lame puns aside, that's also a somewhat plausible possibility.

» Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:44 pm

I call it questionable because the author writes like he/she is a know-it-all. There's no way that the author could have known all the details in the book.

There is always an eyewitness. harr harr /ain'tthatthetruthandknockitoff

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:02 am

Don't know much about this topic but, in joining together, couldn't it just mean Talos granting a blessing on the Septim blood, or say, granting a small piece of his power to the blood? Something to do with the pact of the amulet maybe. And just for grins, what is the signifigance of Martin and his link to Talos on this discussion?

» Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:49 am

At the end of Morrowind,he reincarnates and gives a divine coin th the player for use against Dagoth Ur