I added up the cost of buying every map pack for Fallout 3; and it totals to (if you didn't buy the GotY edition typically at 60 bucks) then it would have cost you 100 dollars to get the game and all of the DLC's. The only way I can afford it is by me and all of my friends pitching in and buying a single copy of GotY. It came out as cheaper to do this than for each of us to buy the expansions seperately, and now we can't even do this, because each of us have split into different consoles. (1 has PC, 1 has PS3, and 2 have Xbox 360's) I don't want to sound like I'm whining, or that I'm targeting the makers of this game in particular, but come on, why has it become this great big thing all of a sudden to start making people pay extra every month for more content? Fable 3 is a prime example of this, game came out last week I believe, and they already have a 5 dollar expansion pack out, if you had the data ready, why not put it into the original release? I understood when games like starcraft did it, there was the game, and, a year or so later, there was the expansion (a single expansion mind you) that gave an entirely new campaign. I'm not stupid, and I know that the gaming industry has changed, but I would personally appreciate less expansions that you have to pay money for, and more updates that expand upon the game. I would rather have a game released later, and cost more, with more features and gameplay, than a game that it is simply expected of you to buy 4 or 5 expansions for, with each charging you 10 dollars, and hardly giving you more content. I play on the Xbox 360 and cannot afford the gold membership, nor do I feel comfortable giving my credit card number to Microsoft. I love this game, and enjoy the extra content, but cannot fully say that I will pay the extra money for it. I hate getting a game, only to find that a few weeks later it is outdated and I must pay more money to continue to enjoy it. For your fans, please, please, make this expansion worth the money, or better yet, follow the example of L4D, and offer it for free to PC and at a discount to the consoles. Oh yah, thats right, your forsaking your buyers from the PC and PS3. My bad.

I assure you all that I didn't mean this as a troll post, I didn't mean it as a post to make people angry, or one to get attention. I've been brooding over this for several months, and needed to get it off of my chest.

I don't know about other games, but DLC being available doesnt "outdate" Fallout 3 or New Vegas. The game still performs exactly as the original design spec, DLC is created post launch. The DLC is just more.

Its like buying food at Burger King. The fact you can buy a desert or 2nd burger doesn't make their burgers any less tasty or filling - it just means if you want, you can have more.

Though in Fallout 3 PC if you don't have all the DLC it can limit you on what mods you can use, that's why I got the FO3 GOTY as soon as it was available.

I really enjoyed Fallout 3's DLC and it really adds to my gaming experience.

If you're tired of buying DLC, then just don't buy it. It's entirely optional. I personally like the option of buying new content for the games that I love.

DLC is optional, u dont hav to have it. while i loved all the dlcs for FO3 and i lik the concept of dlc (even tho its use to exploit gamers wallets). but how did u manage to come up with it being $100??? all the dlcs are $10,which adds to $50, the reg game is $20, so $50+$20=$70 not $100. so your better off jus gettin the GotY for $60 or $50

Bring back the days of expansions. I'd rather pay an 'extra' ￡30 for a 40-50 hours expansion than ￡10 for 2-3 hours of DLC.

Problem is, it makes more money for developers because more people will part with a tenner rather than ￡30+

It's the same as buying a small box of corn flakes than a big box. The big box is better value for money, but the small box is more accessable to those with lower funds.

Yeah, the regular game is $20 NOW, but not on it's release date. In Holland, where I live, I pay at least 60 euro's for a new console game. Add up all the DLC's, which I never bought because I don't have an Xbox LIVE subscription and most of Fallout 3's DLC sounded horrible to me, and a game will get very expensive.

DLC is a nice way to keep people interested in a game, I'll give the developers that, but some of them are definitely exploiting it. Bring your game to the market, keep a part of it yourself and bring that out as DLC one week after the game's release, that's dubious. They could have put it in the game but they didn't because this way they can make an easy buck. With some games when you have finished the story, it feels like something is missing, or that they left part of it out because they had a tight release schedule, but sometimes you find out they just screwed up the game's ending so they could bring out some DLC to get some more cash from people they should treat better, they are loyal customers. So sure, DLC is optional, but sometimes not getting it will make your gaming experience a lot less fun, and frankly, that makes me cynical.

Personally, I don't think it's a terrible clearly-defined line between "it should have been in the game originally" and "it's okay to have it as DLC."

I'm not sure what the setup was for Fallout: New Vegas, but with Fallout 3, for example, (IIRC from an old interview) they had their primary team working on the game itself, and then a second team that was working on the first DLC for the game. Now, that DLC team had started work on the DLC before the game had been completed, but I don't view that as something that "should" have been in the game.

In other cases, just because DLC comes out soon after release, it still doesn't mean that there ever was any plan to include it in the original game.

And to kind of turn the question around a bit - if a game comes out, and the DLC gets finished a month or so later: should the game have been delayed by those two months to include that DLC with the base game (keeping in mind that the company's financial backers probably wouldn't be happy with taking a loss like that,) or should they just sit on completed DLC because people might think it was "too soon?" :shrug:

Well i thought he was talking about now. well if your goin at it that way, u already have done my part of the argument. None of the DLCs seemed lik they where held back out of the game since they were completely out of the picture, cept BS which was an after thought (along with MSZ). FO3 has the best DLC out there cept borderlands. if you want to say a company takes content out of the game look at Bioware (ME2 & DA:O)

I paid $110 for my copy of New Vegas. I don't mind really, because i only buy quality games that are worth keeping.

Last game i brought for my Xbox was Fallout3. There are games worth playing, but so very few worth keeping in my opinion. I rented Alan Wake, GTA4, Saints Row 1 & 2, and couldn't see the value in buying them.

I don't mind paying for DLC since i don't spend that much money on games anyway. I won't pay $20 for a house and new armor, but i will buy the game again when the all the DLC gets added to a game of the year edition though.

I wasn't talking about Fallout 3 in particular, I was talking generally. I agree with you, Fallout 3's DLC's don't give me the impression that Beth kept them back solely for the sake of making more money. I wouldn't call it the best DLC out there though, but we are allowed to disagree on that

If we're talking examples, look at Fable 3. Plenty of content in the game, it's funny and some parts are hilarious, some long, stretched out quests, but some areas open up really late in the game and you can alter the environments while being King or Queen a lot, but what's the point? You're at the end of the game, finding new legendary weapons that were unreachable (just to name an example, there are more things you can only access after completing the main quest) but nothing to use it for, because you don't have any more quests to do. So you get a new, awesome weapon with no purpose for it, only if you decide to buy the DLC and get more quests and areas for you to discover. This way I almost feel forced to buy the DLC to get more out of the game.

yeah thats what im thinkin, even though my friend let me borrow all the dlc discs except for mothership zeta. gotta buy that one still

yeah i understand what u mean, and yeah i jus borrowed fable 3 and i felt really dissapointed in it with how u cant go to certain places til the end, and i do feel that they made it that way for dlc plans later (such as the understone pack that apparently sux). yeah i agree with you, but if you dont mind humoring me, what do you consider the best dlc then? since the only other dlc i see worth buyin is borderlands and oblivions.

I don't typically mind Fallout 3 DLCs-they're optional and simply offer more material to the game than previously. In Fallout's case, there's usually a decent amount to each DLC-it's not just a couple of new guns or locations, there are quests and such for each one. I didn't buy ones like Anchorage or Mothership Zeta either, because I heard they were short/particularly lacking in detail and were pretty much or completely a one time thing. But yeah, they're usually worth the ten bucks, unlike a lot of DLCs in games where you get three or four things for five to ten dollars. And they aren't typically quests, either.

Though I did find it amusing when they exposed the fact that in the next DLC they're raising the level cap again-to 35. In the fact it's ironic, to me, that they DID allow the cap be 30 for New Vegas this time, only to make a cap increase(now to 35) for one of the DLCs anyways.

I really don't mind paying for the DLC, that is in the 15-20 hr zone, but as a consumer I always feel burned. I will summarize my FO:3 DLC experience

Buy Fallout 3
Buy DLC O:A
Buy DLC The Pitt
Buy Point Lookout

Xbox goes red ring

Buy PS3

BuY Fallout 3: GOTY (for Mothership Zeta and the rest of the DLC, quickly cry after realizing what zeta is. )

Yah I just spent over 100 dollars. :mellow:

Could I just buy a collector's edition that includes every (or something like 2 of your choice free) DLC that will come out for the game.

I would like to feel valued as a fan of the franchise instead of feeling like I got took to the cleaners.

But so it goes,modern video game marketing.

I dont mind buying DLC, If its worth the price tag and has decent content, I buy it