I couldn't agree more - after 258 hours in New Vegas and then several weeks without playing, I see the games as very equal overall (different/better in various respects). I was also initially worried about the same thing where people would loose interest in any mod made for Fallout 3 now and with New Vegas out.

What I find refreshing is that the Fallout 3 modding community is still quite active compared to New Vegas, which as you aptly pointed out is still on the up-curve of modding activity. I say that because I noted that my Fo3Edit manual is still getting more downloads than my FNV-Edit manual, which tells me that there are alot more modders out there who are actively working on Fallout 3 mods (and who need help from Fo3Edit/FNVEdit). Like the sale of men's underwear is often a strong bell weather of how the economy is doing, I figure that the level of Fo3Edit/FNVEdit downloads is also as a sort of "activity barometer" of where lots of modding is still taking place. If Fo3 modding was falling off, I would see very few Fo3Edit/tutorial downloads versus FNVEdit/tutorial downloads, but the reverse is true.

Overall I have more confidence now that my fears of New Vegas making Fallout 3 mods useless was unfounded, and that there is still plenty of Fallout 3 modders out there still working on projects right along with us.

how do u get mods for xbox

... That's what I'm wondering. It might just make me hate Fallout 3 a little less.

OOC: done.

IC:

*Eleanor Rigby stays crouched and moves cautiously behind Lt. Andronicus whilst wearing Chinese Stealth Armor and having a Stealth Boy active. She patiently waits for the Lt. to calm down, then reverse pickpockets a Cryo Grenade on the Lt. Whilst the Lt. is frozen from the detonation, she steals everything in the Lt.'s inventory including the beloved FO3 DVD, and escapes from the area. As she races through the corridors of Raven Rock, the detonations of Cryo Mines is heard behind her, until she escapes back into the outdoors of the DC Wasteland, where she heads to her current base of operations, The Pitt.

Jenifur Charne

I'm about ready to start a new FO3 character. Fallout NV just fell flat for me in replay value for some reason. Got about 1/3 the way through my second character and was so bored with the linearity of it I quit. Didn't like its level scaling (or lack of it) compared to FO3 either. Some of the mechanics were more tedious than interesting (Survival, a myriad of ammo types, perk every other level, armor damage thresholds, energy weapon nerfs, etc...). Plus the exploration value is kind of lacking. FO3 kept me busy for a year off and on with about five totally different characters.

I don't know who Obsidian was aiming that game for but it wasn't me. Bethesda spanks them where open world RPGs with good replay value are concerned.

yes thats what i dont understand why they put perks every othere level i mean there are plenty of perks why would you do that. that is just degrading the games potential and it wont be as fun to the gamer since they cant get all what they want

I'm going to play Fallout 3 for a bit aswell, it's always good to add some variety

If you do go back to Fallout 3, here is a YouTube link that Jason Bergen just posted about how how far "not to go".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeygDA1Mj0Q&feature=player_embedded

Enjoy, I loved it!

Miax

Thanks for the laugh Maix...I personally would of went for the speech challenge question :hubbahubba:

bigcrazewolf

Uh... Fallout 1 and 2 fans. Traits and DT was in Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 1 and 2 you got perks every 3 levels. A lot of NV's features were ones that were in the old games. Pick up 1 and 2, you'll see what us "cranky old elitists" have been REALLY complaining about.

Here's the thing. Bethesda can make a damn good sandbox, but when it comes to making an actual RPG, they fall horribly short.

I actually got bored with both Oblivion and Fallout 3, because I didn't care about exploring and Fallout 3 missed on what made Fallout... Fallout. I love Fallout: New Vegas because it struck a lot closer at what made me like 1 and 2.

Hahahaha oh wow, that was so awesome.

yah but most people dont like getting there perks on odd levels i know i dont. They want them on every level so that they can get more and more is better. plus there are so many perks to choose from so they shoulve just put it on every level to choose a perk

Fallout 3's perks were not very powerful. Hell, most of them were just useless bonus skill points. At least with getting perks every 3 levels that perks would actually have a meaningful impact. Like bonus rate of fire, sniper, and slayer.

yah but most of them are useless to in New vegas. also they just added like half from fallout 3 into there. i dont get why you wouldnt like perks every level even if they arnt that good there still a perk that you can benefit from.

Because I want perks that actually have UMPF! For the sake of balance a perk every level has to svck. 3's perks had no meaningful impact, in fact it was skill points skill points skill points. I want perks that do something! I want Sniper back! I want Slayer! I want Bonus Rate of Fire! I want Lifegiver! I want More Criticals! But for balance's sake I want perks to be every 3 levels so I don't become godly quick. I want godly to be something I aspire to. I want godly to be a challenge to get. I want godly to be something to invest time into. This is what keeps me coming back to Fallout 2, because it's awesome to have a nobody who's ass can be kicked by anyone become a force of nature. Fallout 3 doesn't have that, as soon as you step out of the vault you destroy everything. New Vegas comes close, but after 15ish the Courier facerolls over everything.

you really shouldnt even bother buying any other fallout game if your going to complain about that. stuff is going to change and it proabably wont go back to that. today its about what the gamer wants to improve on the game not what one person wants from a old game that many people dont play anymore. plus life giver is in both new vegas and 3. so is sniper and critical chance is in there

Sniper in F3 svcks. Higher chance for headshot in VATs pfft. Sniper used to be cool, it would make a roll for criticals based off your luck so if you had 10 luck every hit was a critical. Lifegiver also svcks in F3. What is wrong with wanting perks that actually have a serious impact? The only perk that is actually cool is grim reaper's sprint.

theres nothing wrong with wanting perks with a serious impact but just dont expect to see them. some perks in both of the games are absolutly useless. like spray and pray that is so dumb and pointless

I would of loved that in F1... Ian shooting me in the back with that SMG... Bastard...

no your attacks on your follower does less damage not the follower shooting you does less damage to you.

damn Ian :swear: I was glad to watch him die in the Military base

On topic(?)

In Both games Perks were either pretty useless or over powered, there were perks that were useful but imo not enough.

I also prefer the fact that I couldn't choose a perk every level in NV, it cut down on the 'choosing a perk for the sake of continuing' feeling but that's not to say I didn't experience that, but that I experienced it less.

I liked how new Vegas added some perks to facilitate a characters "specialization" (perks for energy weapons characters and such). Its a pity though that some of those perks don't really work that well (explosives definetly needs an overhaul, I really want to make an explosives-based character).

I know. That makes me very sad. I wish they would at least make one more huge expansion for Fallout 3. There's so many empty buildings around the Capital Wasteland they could use.. I know that won't happen, but I can hope.

Explosives are built on splash damage. They don't do much single target damage, but if you want to take out a mob of ghouls a grenade is your best bet.

More is not always better in an RPG. Making Characters that are good at somethings and not so good at others adds to role playing. FO3 I become super God master of everything very fast. Were is the role playing there? Add DLCs and the game just becomes Kill the Bullet Sponges.

Every two levels is good but I wish "skilled" came back as a trait for those that want perks every three can have that. In the originals it means every four levels.



I agree. I have seen many people on this forum do just that. They went out an played FO1 and FO2 some reluctantly but when they did they finally see fallout beyond just FO3. Yes people there are other Fallouts besideds FO3 and Bethesda is selling them.

FO3 was made for fans of other Bethesda games, people that have not even heared of Fallout. Beth did a great job getting alot of new fans. Thing is many want Fallout to be Elder Scrolls.