i say chips. though i'd much rather have caps over gold if chips don't make it in.

I already answered this!

"Gold would be everywhere this is proven. NCR has Gold mines Redding for One. Redding had a big part to play in fallout 2. California and the areas around it have alot of places were gold can be mined. Plus every Casino and bank vault would be full of it. One they would have to by pre-war law. Two, Every war in human history as proven that when war is about to breakout people stock up on GOLD!"

Personally I would like to see chips being used and each faction having their own chip. Other faction's chips would not be accepted, and might even be treasonous, on other faction's turf. It might be micro-managing but it would make the character think about what he is spending and which faction's territory he was in at that time.

So many people voted for poker chips, it's not gonna happen. Caps have been in every FALLOUT, why should they change now?

Something that would be nice would be too have different money size drops. So if i drop 20 caps/chips/nuggets/bonds/bills they form a smallish bundle. If i drop 10,000 they should form a nice big mountain. Would be cool so that someone could decorate their NV palace (after leading Caesar's Legion to victory) with big piles of money.

Taking advantage of this could even allow there to be a Scrooge McDuck style vault filled to the brim with money. It would only be like 20 individual drops but each could be in the thousands.

They were not in fallout 2. Gold Coins were used! That is why people want gold to be used in New Vegas.

For me, simple put, since its Vegas I'll have to vote for chips. But besides that I like caps. Im not sure I know too much though, because the first Fallout I played was Fallout 3.

Casino Chips would be awsome I was rading the fallout new vagas what we want to see in collecters edition
or whAT ever it's called and someone said a pack of cards then chips came to my minds as a currnecy so I went to the ideas for for new vagas thread and I stumbled upon this and I was sad that chips wasn't my orignial idea

Oh, I remember caps being in that. It's been a while, though.
Still think caps should be used.

Oh there are caps in FO2 ... as a joke.



Why?

Lets look at why currency is used, one reason is control ... caps are beyond control and would collapse any attempt at a economy and the only reason they "worked" on FO3 was there was no economy to speak off.

The same applies to Casino Chips, lets start with the fact they are made of plastic that happens to be be a byproduct of oil but that is not even the biggest issue, the issue is Casinos naturally keep a controlled number of chips that can no longer be replaced (there is a reason why governments keeps issuing money) so lets start with limited amounts of currency+no means to replace it would mean the economy could never work.

Nukes dropped, I'm pretty sure a 100% working economy is almost impossible.

NCR required to have a economy, may its not on the level of stock exchange and other crap that doom us but it requires to be at least of the level of the 18th century.

Also please tell what is a "working economy" as the Roman Empire minted coin, the same happened in the Dark Ages that followed up and I think we would really have to go way back to have a system that did not had a enforced type of economy, like when humanity were wandering tribes as even Sumer had coins.

Look, I'm not too smart, but I just think caps fit the setting and mood of the game.

A working economy is when people just don't do things out of the kindness of their own hearts and only do something if something beneficial is given to them in return in most cases money. Materials traded for labor, labor traded for material, labor traded for labor, or materialss being traded for materials. In most cases people aren't going to give into every bodies demands as what they want and would be too complicated, so they give them money to use so they can decide what material or labor they need. So people go spend their money on labor and materials and people who supply the material and labor, use that money to buy their own labor and material and it goes into and endless loop of chaos and somehow ends up in the pockets of the elite 1%, or the government depending on if they're communist or not. The alternative? Slavery.

So in relation to fallout, caps, coins, poker chips whatever is the value of ones material or labor. So basically the value of ones labor or material is represented by a number, and you have to give people a certain number to get a certain number of things or to get certain things done.

Hell I just say it, I'm not an economist... the whole damn thing is just confusing and one way or another you end up getting screwed over. Thats all I know about a working economy.


Hell they used to pay people with a loaf of bread... Bread could work as currency but I don't think that fits into the world of fallout.

Casino chips seem like they would be awfully plentiful, unless the highest denomination is used (like $1000 dollar chips being the standard, and the lower denominations just being pocket change.).

I would go caps unless something else rare but useful pops up.

WarHead, you made several errors.

Slavery to start with was common practice for a very long time, Rome made extensive use of then and you cannot deny the economical powerhouse that Rome was.

In the end slaves are just another commodity, nothing more.

You are pushing labor angle but you forget the NCR does just that, it have a standing army that naturally are PAID (as in salary), the NCR have the habit of establishing marshals responsible for enforcing the laws of NCR.

Your view is restrictive as not seeing the whole picture and in fact not even seeing the picture as if you allow the use of caps were there is a unknown number in existence what is their value?

You think they are going to just let go currency being unregulated? the government control over the economy extends to how much is in circulation and the currency have to be protected, something that caps certainly cannot offer as chips are nothing but "monopoly money" that casinos use , the failsafe system used on chips is to prevent people from going in with fake monopoly money and exchange it for real money.

Said failsafe system is the same on modern currency mind you for the exact same reasons.

I could see New Vegas using chips or maybe their own form of currency backed by gold or silver or whatever.. but the rest of the area would still be on a barter system.. so caps or pre-war money would still be in use. Anyway you guys saying that Fallout 2 used gold are wrong.. it was currency/money "backed" by gold. You weren't carrying around big bags of gold with you.. you were still carrying paper money. And if you remember Redding was backed by it's own Mining Scrip.. Paper money can be backed by anything that would be rare enough that it had worth .. they could back it with cheezy poofs.. or it could be backed by ammo if they so wanted. Pre-war money would still have value-- chips would have value--bottle caps, ring pulls, Brotherhood Scrip, Mine Scrip.. these would all still have value and would be used to barter with.

Nope, it was gold coins.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/6/6d/F2money.gif

I am not talking about the batter system as I really do not see a reason to not use it, just currency should be minted coins.

Hmmm.. . even if they were coins.. I'm pretty sure it was still only backed by gold.. not actual gold... but maybe your right.
I still think bottle caps make more sense outside of the city.. They weren't mass producing gold coins before the war. So how on earth do you find newly minted gold coins digging in an old ruin of a building? Most searchable
items in fallout 3 were set up for you to find random objects. They also re-spawned. They are using the same engine. So if they do make gold coins the one and only currency then that's what your going to find in
random searches. Meaning that you'll find these amazing coins in very weird places.. If New Vegas is a loaded area like Megaton was .. it's feasible that maybe they could program it so that you only find New Vegas money in New Vegas
Like I stated.. a form of currency not dependent on the barter system as much might make sense in New Vegas.. the city is trying to establish itself as a power... it would have a work force and pay in wages.
But there are other settlements so obviously not everyone lives that way or wants to. I could actually see them still using pre-war money everywhere rather than bottlecaps since the areas weren't hit as hard and life pretty much
continued.

Well I never meant to say I was an expert or anything, and I was trying to lean more towards a humorous approach to the question what is a working economy. I don't really know a whole a lot about economics other than it has to do with trade, and all I know about currency is that there is usually something that backs up that value, it was gold but they got off the gold standard when Nixon was president. I also know that things rise and fall in value whether it is plentiful or not, which I think is the point you are getting at when asking me how many unknown caps are in existence, and whats it value. Which is why high paying jobs are high paying because theres not that many people who can do these jobs, so the value of that labor rises? Is that what you're getting at?

Well either way, caps, chips, gold coins, are just something represents an economic value similar to cash. And that is true using something that isn't easily duplicated makes a good money. Actually casino chips aren't easily duplicated either, you just can't go to wallmart buy poker chips then expect to go to a casino on the strip to trade it in for its value. Vegas chips are very similar to way dollar bills are so they can't be counterfeited. Casino chips are useless unless cashed in a casino, authentic Vegas casino chips aren't easily duplicated. Even J.E. Sawyer in the first thread mentioned that chips aren't easily duplicated.

If fallout:NV have a fail safe system, who is going to failsafe a system when most of the governments are gone in the world? I mean in fallout 3 there is nobody really out there who failsafe caps. I think most games don't go into the idea of picking a currency that can't be counterfeited or how the currency is failsafe for the most part money in games its just there with no thought about it.

The whole how economics thing side tracked the this thread...

Caps chips or gold?

My vote is for chips, ideally different types of chips for different settlements/regions/businesses.

yeah, i guess i never really questioned caps in fo3 because it just seems so fitting in that setting. perhaps gold is more realistic, but in the end fallout strives to achieve a mid-century, pop-culture america setting. bottle caps just seem to make sense when in that setting.

according to the german pc games magazine, this debate has been settled. caps is stated as the currency.

Im thinking I would like casino chips the most. Caps are good and all but chips would really add that "Las Vegas feel" to it.